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Re: [xmca] Pivot or Carrier in play?
Ana,
Thanks for the offer to send the manuscript.
The topic of metaphor and play seems central to the themes we are
discussing and I would like a copy of the manuscript.
Larry
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 4:27 AM, Ana Marjanovic-Shane
<anamshane@gmail.com>wrote:
> Dear Mike and all,
>
> My dissertation "Metaphor Beyond Play" was using ethnographic data of
> several children in my family to develop a model of meaning making that
> looked at children's play and their spontaneous metaphors. It claimed that
> constructing the imagined world in play is a necessary but not sufficient
> step in creating metaphoric meanings.
> Many of the issues that are being discusses here have been addressed
> there. I have presented some topics and parts of my dissertation at several
> conferences (AERA, ISCAR and TASP).
>
> I'll be glad to send the manuscript to all interested.
>
> Ana
>
>
> ____________________________________
> Ana Marjanovic-Shane
> Deputy Editor-in-Chief, Dialogic Pedagogy Journal
> Associate Professor of Education
> Chestnut Hill College
> Emails: anamshane@gmail.com
> shaneam@chc.edu
> Phone: 267-334-2905
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 11, 2013, at 7:08 PM, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hey Ana-- What is this rumor about your dissertation that is Beth's
> > starting point?
> > :-)
> > mike
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Beth Ferholt <bferholt@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Thank you for the reading list! I will get to it. I always start from
> Ana
> >> Marjanovic's dissertation -- if this is your area of study you must ask
> her
> >> about it. Beth
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Beth, Monica,
> >>>
> >>> I appreciate knowing that the connection with metaphor is fantastic.
> >>> My quest to understand metaphor as much more inclusive than merely
> >> language
> >>> was opened up when I read Elena Cufferi's dissertation on *gesture* AS
> >>> metaphor. Taking Anna Stetsenko's notion of a 3 fold dialectic
> >>> (materiality, inter-subjective social, and human subjectivity) Elena's
> >> work
> >>> focuses on the inter subjective realm.
> >>> Within her expansion of gesture AS metaphor, and Merleau-Ponty's
> >> expansion
> >>> of language AS gesture, then the notion of development AS divergence
> >> WITHIN
> >>> gestalts (modes of life) leads back to Martin's understandings of
> >>> gestaltsand also Manfred's *expressive signs*.
> >>> I intuitively sense that *gesture* and *metaphor* are very inclusive
> >>> concepts which may have relevance within Anna Stetsenko's 3 fold
> >> dialectic.
> >>> Also relevant to social smiling and playworlds and work world's.
> >>>
> >>> Larry
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 1:51 AM, Beth Ferholt <bferholt@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> And for thinking about perezhivanie, and adults being able to play,
> you
> >>> are
> >>>> right, Mike -- fulcrum AND pivot give us so much to work with! I wish
> >>>> Vygotsky had given us one of his wonderful metaphors for perezhivanie
> >> ...
> >>>> Beth
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Beth Ferholt <bferholt@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Larry, the connection with metaphor is fantastic for helping us to
> >>> think
> >>>>> about playworlds as process.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Anna, I think I agree with your distinction between pivot and
> >> metaphor
> >>>> ...
> >>>>> I will return to your thesis and then come back to this.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> THe funny thing about the robin coming up in this discussion is that
> >>>>> Monica and I have been talking a lot about robins ... about Kiyo's
> >> role
> >>>> as
> >>>>> the Robin in a playworld in California: going into role in play
> >> allows
> >>>> you
> >>>>> to use the character to pivot out of yourself, is what I have been
> >>>> thinking
> >>>>> about as I work on the Fakhrutdinova piece on Perezhivanie that Mike
> >>> sent
> >>>>> around.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Beth
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Huw Lloyd <
> >> huw.softdesigns@gmail.com
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 10 April 2013 14:44, Christine Schweighart <
> >> schweighartc@gmail.com
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Robins can be amazing , Huw, one came up to within 20cm of my
> >> hands
> >>>>>>> yesterday - it was looking right up at me ( so I thought), but
> >> it's
> >>>>>> other
> >>>>>>> eye was looking for worms as I was digging. This took me by
> >>> surprise -
> >>>>>>> aesthetic experience often has surprise?- anyway - the robin was
> >>> quite
> >>>>>> sure
> >>>>>>> of itself and not 'tame' or 'domesticated', any more than I on my
> >>>>>>> allotment was 'tamed' or domesticated by the robin.
> >>>>>>> Christine.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> I think you have some of my gist of *just*. Don't forget the
> >>> work-rate
> >>>>>> too! :)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I think the humble robin is good mediator for explaining British
> >>> culture
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>> civilized Europeans.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Best,
> >>>>>> Huw
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Huw Lloyd <
> >>>> huw.softdesigns@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 10 April 2013 02:26, Ana Marjanovic-Shane <
> >> anamshane@gmail.com
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The interesting thing is that actually the meaning of a
> >> "horse"
> >>> is
> >>>>>> not
> >>>>>>>>> "detached" from the actual concept of the horse!
> >>>>>>>>> Rather it is used without the horse being present! The horse
> >> is
> >>>>>> still
> >>>>>>>>> imagined!
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The play affords the awareness of the idea as distinct from the
> >>>>>> thing(s)
> >>>>>>>> themselves. Such a distinction is considered necessary prior to
> >>>>>>>> formulating an explicit conception of them.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> But the "stick" can be anything: a stick, a broom, a chair (as
> >>> in
> >>>> a
> >>>>>>>>> Serbian children' song), a carpet, a small (or bigger) block.
> >> It
> >>>> can
> >>>>>>> even
> >>>>>>>>> be totally absent -- just present in the movements of the
> >> child.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Not, if I recall correctly, according to Vygotsky. They need to
> >>>> have
> >>>>>>> some
> >>>>>>>> "fit for purpose", a teacup may already have its purpose
> >> assigned
> >>>>>> which
> >>>>>>>> would conflict. But fluidity of rules is an ingredient in play.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> What do you think?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Ana
> >>>>>>>>> ____________________________________
> >>>>>>>>> Ana Marjanovic-Shane
> >>>>>>>>> Deputy Editor-in-Chief, Dialogic Pedagogy Journal
> >>>>>>>>> Associate Professor of Education
> >>>>>>>>> Chestnut Hill College
> >>>>>>>>> Emails: anamshane@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>> shaneam@chc.edu
> >>>>>>>>> Phone: 267-334-2905
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Apr 9, 2013, at 4:52 PM, Huw Lloyd <
> >>> huw.softdesigns@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On 9 April 2013 21:33, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> *From the OED: *
> >>>>>>>>>>> *
> >>>>>>>>>>> *
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> *Pivot ...A short shaft or pin, usually of metal and
> >>> pointed,
> >>>>>>> forming
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>> centre on which a mechanism turns or oscillates, as the pin
> >>> of
> >>>> a
> >>>>>>>> hinge,
> >>>>>>>>> or
> >>>>>>>>>>> the end of an axle...*
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> *Fulcrum: A prop or support; now only spec. in Mech. the
> >>> point
> >>>>>>> against
> >>>>>>>>>>> which a lever is placed to get purchase or upon which it
> >>> turns
> >>>>>> or is
> >>>>>>>>>>> supported.*
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Pivot affords the verb, as an aside, which is the doing part
> >>> of
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> stick.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> No exotic birds over here, *just* robins and pivoting
> >>> fulcrums.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Huw
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> **
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> *What an interesting pair of terms, especially in the
> >> context
> >>>> of
> >>>>>>> your
> >>>>>>>>>>> interests, Beth.*
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> *
> >>>>>>>>>>> *
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Huw Lloyd <
> >>>>>>> huw.softdesigns@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 9 April 2013 15:40, Bella Kotik-Friedgut <
> >>>>>> bella.kotik@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> fulcrum seems OK
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Are you translating the paragraph or the term/word?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> The English text is using pivot in about three different
> >>> ways
> >>>> in
> >>>>>>>>> relation
> >>>>>>>>>>>> to the paragraph and the paragraph's object.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Fulcrum does not capture this because it does not connote
> >>> the
> >>>>>>> prizing
> >>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the idea of the horse away from the horse itself, which
> >> one
> >>>> can
> >>>>>> do
> >>>>>>>>> with a
> >>>>>>>>>>>> stick (as a lever or crowbar).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Huw
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Christine Schweighart <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> schweighartc@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't read Russian, I'm guessing you are looking to
> >>>> express
> >>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>>> meaning
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> something like 'fulcrum' - not the lever or pivot itself
> >>> as
> >>>> a
> >>>>>>>> thing.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/fulcrum
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christine
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Bella Kotik-Friedgut <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bella.kotik@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I mentioned he does NOT use this term rather he
> >>> writes:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "В тот момент, когда палочка, т.е. вещь, становится
> >>> опорной
> >>>>>>> точкой
> >>>>>>>>>>>> для
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> отрывания значения лошади от реальной лошади, в этот
> >>>>>> критический
> >>>>>>>>>>>> момент
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> коренным образом меняется одна из основных
> >>> психологических
> >>>>>>>>>>> структур,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> определяющая отношение ребенка к действительности".
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> опорная точка-
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> literally: a point of support
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bella
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Beth Ferholt <
> >>>>>>> bferholt@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is all very helpful, thank you:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is стимул-средство what Vygotsky uses in the following
> >>>>>>> paragraph
> >>>>>>>>>>>> from
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chapter on play, or another word, and is
> >> стимул-средство
> >>>> is
> >>>>>>> best
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> translated
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as a type of tool? Which type -- ?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Thought is separated from objects because a piece of
> >>> wood
> >>>>>>> begins
> >>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> be a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doll and a stick becomes a horse. Action according to
> >>>> rules
> >>>>>>>>>>> begins
> >>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> determined by ideas, not by objects. This is such a
> >>>>>> reversal of
> >>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> child's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relationship to the real, immediate, concrete
> >> situation
> >>>>>> that it
> >>>>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> hard
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evaluate its full significance. The child does not do
> >>> this
> >>>>>> all
> >>>>>>> at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> once.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is terribly difficult for a child to sever thought
> >> (the
> >>>>>> meaning
> >>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> word)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from object. Play is a transitional stage in this
> >>>>>> direction. At
> >>>>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> critical moment when a stick - i.e., an object -
> >>> becomes a
> >>>>>>> pivot
> >>>>>>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> severing the meaning of horse from a real horse, one
> >> of
> >>>> the
> >>>>>>> basic
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> psychological structures determining the child's
> >>>>>> relationship
> >>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reality
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> radically altered."
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Beth
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Bella Kotik-Friedgut
> >> <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bella.kotik@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the original paper on play I have not found a
> >>> special
> >>>>>> term
> >>>>>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> it,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in further developments it seems that стимул-средство
> >>>>>> would be
> >>>>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> proper
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> term
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bella
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 5:38 AM, mike cole <
> >>>>>> lchcmike@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yo!!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would one of our Russian colleagues who can put
> >> their
> >>>>>> hands
> >>>>>>>>>>> on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Russian
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> essay please tell us what the russian word for pivot
> >>>>>> Vygotsky
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> uses?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mike
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Ana
> >> Marjanovic-Shane <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anamshane@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Beth and Monica,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that you should see how would you call a
> >>> knife
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> two
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> glasses
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that two engineer friend may use over a dinner to
> >>> talk
> >>>>>>>>>>> about
> >>>>>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> new
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bridge
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they are planning to build.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are the knife and the glasses "carriers", "pivots",
> >>>>>> "place
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> holders"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something else?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like to think of them as "pivots" (for meaning)
> >>>> because
> >>>>>>>>>>>> they
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> do
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CARRY meanings, for which they are used for in this
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> conversation.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> words, I don't think these objects are used
> >>>>>> metaphorically.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> In
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> metaphor,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you mean to say something ABOUT an object (person,
> >>>> event,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> concept,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> calling it a different name.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "My pillow is my spaceship" -- If I said that to
> >> you,
> >>>>>>>>>>> imagine
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that mean? Many beautiful, adventurous, romantic,
> >>>>>> sci-tech
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> possibilities!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But when my 3 yr old son took a pillow, sat on it,
> >>>>>> started
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> playing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> version of the "Start Wars" and said the same
> >>> utterance
> >>>>>> "My
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pillow
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spaceship"-- it wasn't a metaphor. Just an object
> >>>> (pivot
> >>>>>> -
> >>>>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> holder)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> play a role in populating the imagined realm.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In play these objects (sticks, knifes...) just hold
> >>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>> place
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> images
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and concepts in the imagined realm -- without
> >>> providing
> >>>>>> any
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> meaning
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "ABOUT"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these imagined things (horses, bridges,
> >> spaceships).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Carrier" is not bad -- but can be confused with
> >>>>>> metaphor.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Pivot" is very neutral and very descriptive -- the
> >>>>>> meaning
> >>>>>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "hinged"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the object.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you think?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ana
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ____________________________________
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ana Marjanovic-Shane
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deputy Editor-in-Chief, Dialogic Pedagogy Journal
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Associate Professor of Education
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chestnut Hill College
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Emails: anamshane@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shaneam@chc.edu
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phone: 267-334-2905
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 8, 2013, at 10:27 AM, Beth Ferholt <
> >>>>>>>>>>>> bferholt@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monica and I are discussing the horse/stick -- in
> >>>>>> Swedish
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carrier, in English a pivot, and which do people
> >>> think
> >>>>>>>>>>> is a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> translation??
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (There is a word for Pivot in Swedish but still
> >>>> Carrier
> >>>>>>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chosen
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- )
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THank you for the help,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Beth
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Beth Ferholt
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Assistant Professor
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> School of Education
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brooklyn College, City University of New York
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2900 Bedford Avenue
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brooklyn, NY 11210-2889
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Email: bferholt@brooklyn.cuny.edu
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phone: (718) 951-5205
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fax: (718) 951-4816
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely yours Bella Kotik-Friedgut
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> __________________________________________
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Beth Ferholt
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Assistant Professor
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> School of Education
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brooklyn College, City University of New York
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2900 Bedford Avenue
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brooklyn, NY 11210-2889
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phone: (718) 951-5205
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> >>>>> Assistant Professor
> >>>>> School of Education
> >>>>> Brooklyn College, City University of New York
> >>>>> 2900 Bedford Avenue
> >>>>> Brooklyn, NY 11210-2889
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Email: bferholt@brooklyn.cuny.edu
> >>>>> Phone: (718) 951-5205
> >>>>> Fax: (718) 951-4816
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Beth Ferholt
> >>>> Assistant Professor
> >>>> School of Education
> >>>> Brooklyn College, City University of New York
> >>>> 2900 Bedford Avenue
> >>>> Brooklyn, NY 11210-2889
> >>>>
> >>>> Email: bferholt@brooklyn.cuny.edu
> >>>> Phone: (718) 951-5205
> >>>> Fax: (718) 951-4816
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> >> --
> >> Beth Ferholt
> >> Assistant Professor
> >> School of Education
> >> Brooklyn College, City University of New York
> >> 2900 Bedford Avenue
> >> Brooklyn, NY 11210-2889
> >>
> >> Email: bferholt@brooklyn.cuny.edu
> >> Phone: (718) 951-5205
> >> Fax: (718) 951-4816
> >> __________________________________________
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