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Re: [xmca] Pivot or Carrier in play?

Dear Mike and all,

My dissertation  "Metaphor Beyond Play" was using ethnographic data of several children in my family to develop a model of meaning making that looked at children's play and their spontaneous metaphors. It claimed that constructing the imagined world in play is a necessary but not sufficient step in creating metaphoric meanings. 
Many of the issues that are being discusses here have been addressed there. I have presented some topics and parts of my dissertation at several conferences (AERA, ISCAR and TASP).

I'll be glad to send the manuscript to all interested.

Ana


____________________________________
Ana Marjanovic-Shane
Deputy Editor-in-Chief, Dialogic Pedagogy Journal
Associate Professor of Education
Chestnut Hill College
Emails: anamshane@gmail.com
		shaneam@chc.edu
Phone: 267-334-2905









On Apr 11, 2013, at 7:08 PM, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Ana-- What is this rumor about your dissertation that is Beth's
> starting point?
>   :-)
> mike
> 
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Beth Ferholt <bferholt@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Thank you for the reading list! I will get to it.  I always start from Ana
>> Marjanovic's dissertation -- if this is your area of study you must ask her
>> about it. Beth
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Beth, Monica,
>>> 
>>> I appreciate knowing that the connection with metaphor is fantastic.
>>> My quest to understand metaphor as much more inclusive than merely
>> language
>>> was opened up when I read Elena Cufferi's dissertation on *gesture* AS
>>> metaphor. Taking Anna Stetsenko's notion of a 3 fold dialectic
>>> (materiality, inter-subjective social, and human subjectivity) Elena's
>> work
>>> focuses on the inter subjective realm.
>>> Within her expansion of gesture AS metaphor, and Merleau-Ponty's
>> expansion
>>> of language AS gesture, then the notion of development AS divergence
>> WITHIN
>>> gestalts (modes of life)  leads back to Martin's understandings of
>>> gestaltsand also Manfred's *expressive signs*.
>>> I intuitively sense that *gesture* and *metaphor* are very inclusive
>>> concepts which may have relevance within Anna Stetsenko's 3 fold
>> dialectic.
>>> Also relevant to social smiling and playworlds and  work world's.
>>> 
>>> Larry
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 1:51 AM, Beth Ferholt <bferholt@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> And for thinking about perezhivanie, and adults being able to play, you
>>> are
>>>> right, Mike -- fulcrum AND pivot give us so much to work with!  I wish
>>>> Vygotsky had given us one of his wonderful metaphors for perezhivanie
>> ...
>>>> Beth
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Beth Ferholt <bferholt@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Larry, the connection with metaphor is fantastic for helping us to
>>> think
>>>>> about playworlds as process.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Anna, I think I agree with your distinction between pivot and
>> metaphor
>>>> ...
>>>>> I will return to your thesis and then come back to this.
>>>>> 
>>>>> THe funny thing about the robin coming up in this discussion is that
>>>>> Monica and I have been talking a lot about robins ... about Kiyo's
>> role
>>>> as
>>>>> the Robin in a playworld in California: going into role in play
>> allows
>>>> you
>>>>> to use the character to pivot out of yourself, is what I have been
>>>> thinking
>>>>> about as I work on the Fakhrutdinova piece on Perezhivanie that Mike
>>> sent
>>>>> around.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Beth
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Huw Lloyd <
>> huw.softdesigns@gmail.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 10 April 2013 14:44, Christine Schweighart <
>> schweighartc@gmail.com
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Robins can be amazing , Huw, one came up to within 20cm of my
>> hands
>>>>>>> yesterday - it was looking right up at me ( so I thought), but
>> it's
>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> eye was looking for worms as I was digging. This took me by
>>> surprise -
>>>>>>> aesthetic experience often has surprise?- anyway - the robin was
>>> quite
>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>> of itself and not 'tame' or 'domesticated', any more than I  on my
>>>>>>> allotment was 'tamed'  or domesticated by the robin.
>>>>>>> Christine.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I think you have some of my gist of *just*.  Don't forget the
>>> work-rate
>>>>>> too!   :)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I think the humble robin is good mediator for explaining British
>>> culture
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> civilized Europeans.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Huw
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Huw Lloyd <
>>>> huw.softdesigns@gmail.com
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 10 April 2013 02:26, Ana Marjanovic-Shane <
>> anamshane@gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> The interesting thing is that actually the meaning of a
>> "horse"
>>> is
>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>> "detached" from the actual concept of the horse!
>>>>>>>>> Rather it is used without the horse being present! The horse
>> is
>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>>> imagined!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The play affords the awareness of the idea as distinct from the
>>>>>> thing(s)
>>>>>>>> themselves.  Such a distinction is considered necessary prior to
>>>>>>>> formulating an explicit conception of them.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> But the "stick" can be anything: a stick, a broom, a chair (as
>>> in
>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> Serbian children' song), a carpet, a small (or bigger) block.
>> It
>>>> can
>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>> be totally absent -- just present in the movements of the
>> child.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Not, if I recall correctly, according to Vygotsky.  They need to
>>>> have
>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>> "fit for purpose", a teacup may already have its purpose
>> assigned
>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>> would conflict.  But fluidity of rules is an ingredient in play.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> What do you think?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Ana
>>>>>>>>> ____________________________________
>>>>>>>>> Ana Marjanovic-Shane
>>>>>>>>> Deputy Editor-in-Chief, Dialogic Pedagogy Journal
>>>>>>>>> Associate Professor of Education
>>>>>>>>> Chestnut Hill College
>>>>>>>>> Emails: anamshane@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>                shaneam@chc.edu
>>>>>>>>> Phone: 267-334-2905
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Apr 9, 2013, at 4:52 PM, Huw Lloyd <
>>> huw.softdesigns@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 9 April 2013 21:33, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> *From the OED:  *
>>>>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> *Pivot  ...A short shaft or pin, usually of metal and
>>> pointed,
>>>>>>> forming
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> centre on which a mechanism turns or oscillates, as the pin
>>> of
>>>> a
>>>>>>>> hinge,
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>> the end of an axle...*
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> *Fulcrum: A prop or support; now only spec. in Mech. the
>>> point
>>>>>>> against
>>>>>>>>>>> which a lever is placed to get purchase or upon which it
>>> turns
>>>>>> or is
>>>>>>>>>>> supported.*
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Pivot affords the verb, as an aside, which is the doing part
>>> of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> stick.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> No exotic birds over here, *just* robins and pivoting
>>> fulcrums.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Huw
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> *What an interesting pair of terms, especially in the
>> context
>>>> of
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>> interests, Beth.*
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Huw Lloyd <
>>>>>>> huw.softdesigns@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9 April 2013 15:40, Bella Kotik-Friedgut <
>>>>>> bella.kotik@gmail.com
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fulcrum seems OK
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you translating the paragraph or the term/word?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> The English text is using pivot in about three different
>>> ways
>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> relation
>>>>>>>>>>>> to the paragraph and the paragraph's object.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Fulcrum does not capture this because it does not connote
>>> the
>>>>>>> prizing
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the idea of the horse away from the horse itself, which
>> one
>>>> can
>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>> with a
>>>>>>>>>>>> stick (as a lever or crowbar).
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Huw
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Christine Schweighart <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> schweighartc@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't read Russian, I'm guessing you are looking to
>>>> express
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> meaning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something like 'fulcrum' - not the lever or pivot itself
>>> as
>>>> a
>>>>>>>> thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>> http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/fulcrum
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christine
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Bella Kotik-Friedgut <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bella.kotik@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I mentioned he does NOT use this term rather he
>>> writes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "В тот момент, когда палочка, т.е. вещь, становится
>>> опорной
>>>>>>> точкой
>>>>>>>>>>>> для
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> отрывания значения лошади от реальной лошади, в этот
>>>>>> критический
>>>>>>>>>>>> момент
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> коренным образом меняется одна из основных
>>> психологических
>>>>>>>>>>> структур,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> определяющая отношение ребенка к действительности".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> опорная точка-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> literally: a point of support
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bella
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Beth Ferholt <
>>>>>>> bferholt@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is all very helpful, thank you:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is стимул-средство what Vygotsky uses in the following
>>>>>>> paragraph
>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chapter on play, or another word, and is
>> стимул-средство
>>>> is
>>>>>>> best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> translated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as a type of tool?  Which type -- ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Thought is separated from objects because a piece of
>>> wood
>>>>>>> begins
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doll and a stick becomes a horse. Action according to
>>>> rules
>>>>>>>>>>> begins
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> determined by ideas, not by objects. This is such a
>>>>>> reversal of
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> child's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relationship to the real, immediate, concrete
>> situation
>>>>>> that it
>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evaluate its full significance. The child does not do
>>> this
>>>>>> all
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>> once.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is terribly difficult for a child to sever thought
>> (the
>>>>>> meaning
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> word)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from object. Play is a transitional stage in this
>>>>>> direction. At
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> critical moment when a stick - i.e., an object -
>>> becomes a
>>>>>>> pivot
>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> severing the meaning of horse from a real horse, one
>> of
>>>> the
>>>>>>> basic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> psychological structures determining the child's
>>>>>> relationship
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reality
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> radically altered."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Bella Kotik-Friedgut
>> <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bella.kotik@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the original paper on play I have not found a
>>> special
>>>>>> term
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in further developments it seems that стимул-средство
>>>>>> would be
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> term
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bella
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 5:38 AM, mike cole <
>>>>>> lchcmike@gmail.com
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yo!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would one of our Russian colleagues who can put
>> their
>>>>>> hands
>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Russian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> essay please tell us what the russian word for pivot
>>>>>> Vygotsky
>>>>>>>>>>>>> uses?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mike
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Ana
>> Marjanovic-Shane <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anamshane@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Beth and Monica,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that you should see how would you call a
>>> knife
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> glasses
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that two engineer friend may use over a dinner to
>>> talk
>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bridge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they are planning to build.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are the knife and the glasses "carriers", "pivots",
>>>>>> "place
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> holders"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like to think of them as "pivots" (for meaning)
>>>> because
>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CARRY meanings, for which they are used for in this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> conversation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> words, I don't think these objects are used
>>>>>> metaphorically.
>>>>>>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> metaphor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you mean to say something ABOUT an object (person,
>>>> event,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concept,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> calling it a different name.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "My pillow is my spaceship" -- If I said that to
>> you,
>>>>>>>>>>> imagine
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that mean? Many beautiful, adventurous, romantic,
>>>>>> sci-tech
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> possibilities!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But when my 3 yr old son took a pillow, sat on it,
>>>>>> started
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> playing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> version of the "Start Wars" and said the same
>>> utterance
>>>>>> "My
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pillow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spaceship"-- it wasn't a metaphor. Just an object
>>>> (pivot
>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> holder)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> play a role in populating the imagined realm.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In play these objects (sticks, knifes...) just hold
>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> place
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> images
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and concepts in the imagined realm -- without
>>> providing
>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meaning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "ABOUT"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these imagined things (horses, bridges,
>> spaceships).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Carrier" is not bad -- but can be confused with
>>>>>> metaphor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Pivot" is very neutral and very descriptive -- the
>>>>>> meaning
>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "hinged"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the object.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you think?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ana
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ____________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ana Marjanovic-Shane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deputy Editor-in-Chief, Dialogic Pedagogy Journal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Associate Professor of Education
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chestnut Hill College
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Emails: anamshane@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>               shaneam@chc.edu
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phone: 267-334-2905
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 8, 2013, at 10:27 AM, Beth Ferholt <
>>>>>>>>>>>> bferholt@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monica and I are discussing the horse/stick -- in
>>>>>> Swedish
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carrier, in English a pivot, and which do people
>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> translation??
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (There is a word for Pivot in Swedish but still
>>>> Carrier
>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chosen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- )
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THank you for the help,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Beth Ferholt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Assistant Professor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> School of Education
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brooklyn College, City University of New York
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2900 Bedford Avenue
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brooklyn, NY 11210-2889
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Email: bferholt@brooklyn.cuny.edu
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Assistant Professor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> School of Education
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2900 Bedford Avenue
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brooklyn, NY 11210-2889
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>> Assistant Professor
>>>>> School of Education
>>>>> Brooklyn College, City University of New York
>>>>> 2900 Bedford Avenue
>>>>> Brooklyn, NY 11210-2889
>>>>> 
>>>>> Email: bferholt@brooklyn.cuny.edu
>>>>> Phone: (718) 951-5205
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>> 2900 Bedford Avenue
>>>> Brooklyn, NY 11210-2889
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