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Re: [xmca] Perezhivanie and Dewey's concept of experience
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- Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 06:58:23 -0800
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Andy,
Your comment:
I don't deny that "meaning" has taken on a certain usage and is widely
taken to be the attribute of a word or phrase and found in a dictionary,
but I think as a scientist I prefer to see such things as objectifications
of the primary source which is human speech/speaking. I think the same
distinctions can be discovered in perezhivanija, experiences and so on.
As a scientist what do you think of Dewey's understanding that science is
the handmaiden of aesthetics [which means an intensifying experience of
life]
On page 16, Tom Leddy in the Stanford article Mike sent translates Dewey's
understanding of being TRULY alive:
"Rather than giving art primacy in aesthetic, Dewey believes that humans
only feel properly alive when absorbing the aesthetic FEATURES of nature.
Aesthetic experience of the natural environment can even take the FORM of
*ecstatic communion*. This is due to ancient habits gained in the
relations between the living being and its environment. Sensuous experience
can absorb into itself meanings and values that are DESIGNATED 'ideal' or
'spiritual'. Dewey observes that belief that nature is full of spirits is
closely tied to POETRY. The sensuous surfaces of things INCORPORATE not
only what is given to the senses but the most profound INSIGHT. Many of
the arts ORIGINATE in primitive rituals which were not simply intended as
means to get rain, etc. but for the ENHANCEMENT OF THE EXPERIENCE.
Similarly myth was not just an early form of science." [Leddy, p.16]
Andy, as a scientist, are the practises of science intended to creatively
and ideally participate in the reenchantment of the world?.
Ivo introducing Gendlin, notions of vivencia, Merleau Ponty's notion of
*singing thw world* all are invitations addressing us to imagine the
rhythmical flow and pulsing of life reenchanted. Modernity may have been a
*wrong turn* and we are in a *revolution* [not as turning away from history
but as a returning to history] Ancient Greece often is returned to in
philosophy. Why? Because the texts of that epoch were expressing the
experience of intensified life. It was an aesthetic epoch.
Just thinking out loud but hopeing to participate in further *minding* and
*eventing* as "collaborative projects" of revolution and return.
Larry
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 9:26 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:
> The distinction is not quite the grammatical one, is it Carol? Meaning can
> be a noun and still be the name of an attribute of a symbol or artefact.
> "Attribute" is a noun. And it can still be a gerund, as a kind of noun,
> derived from the verb "to mean". So if "I meant to help you when I said
> that," "my meaning was to be helpful," with "meaning" here being the gerund
> referring to my speech act. I don't deny that "meaning" has taken on a
> certain usage and is widely taken to be the attribute of a word or phrase
> and found in a dictionary, but I think as a scientist I prefer to see such
> things as objectifications of the primary source which is human
> speech/speaking. I think the same distinctions can be discovered in
> perezhivanija, experiences and so on.
>
> Andy
>
> mike cole wrote:
>
>> Now how do we make sense of that, Carol?
>> :-)
>> mike
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 8:37 PM, <carolmacdon@gmail.com <mailto:
>> carolmacdon@gmail.com>**> wrote:
>>
>> No Andy, "meaning" is principally a noun of long standing,
>> ossified. There are loads of examples of noun/verb pairs.
>> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>>
>> Sender: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu
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>> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 13:39:57
>> To: <lchcmike@gmail.com <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com>>
>> Reply-To: ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>, "eXtended
>> Mind, Culture,
>> Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>>
>> Cc: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity<xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
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>>
>> Subject: Re: [xmca] Perezhivanie and Dewey's concept of experience
>>
>> Yes, the use of "Thought" in lieu of "Thinking" and "Language" instead
>> of "Speaking" is famous and widely recognised, but I have found that
>> while noting this, people often stick to "meaning" as the
>> attribute of a
>> symbol rather than the gerund of an action verb.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> mike cole wrote:
>> > Not that the same "verbifying" can be found in "Thought and
>> Language"
>> > vs "Thinking and Speech." Kind of like Ivo's Dewey
>> > and Dilthey......
>> >
>> > Makes international discussion about perezhivanie/experience
>> > an interesting exercise!
>> >
>> > mike
>> >
>> > On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net
>> <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>
>> > <mailto:ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Oh I see!
>> > It has always amused me how George Lakoff in his list
>> fundamental
>> > human actions/relations which provide the foundation for
>> language,
>> > along with travelling, handling objects, containers, and spatial
>> > position, he includes guns and war. I have taken this as
>> > indicative of the nature of life in the land of the free. So in
>> > this case I took "double-barrelled" to mean as in
>> > "double-barrelled shot gun"! I had never thought of the cooper's
>> > barrel in this context.
>> >
>> > And yes, the facility of English with its "ing" to turn a
>> process
>> > verb into a noun can be annoying, if you get my meaning, but the
>> > English language is undergoing a movement in the reverse
>> direction
>> > in recent decades, with more and more action-nouns (like
>> "impact")
>> > being used as verbs. This seems to be a legacy of the culture in
>> > which James and Dewey were philosophising.
>> >
>> > Andy
>> >
>> > mike cole wrote:
>> >
>> > A barrel, as used in this context, usually refers to a
>> wooden or
>> > metal tube/container that is "solid." It is unchanging over
>> > significant periods of a human life span.
>> >
>> > Zaporozhets reminds us, somewhere, that as we are
>> groping the
>> > environment with bodies, the environment is groping us. And
>> > given the "ing" in groping, its not a noun, its a process
>> > occurring over
>> >
>> > time.
>> >
>> > Perhaps that is not useful. I have temporality on the brain,
>> > so to speak.
>> >
>> > mike
>> >
>> > On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Andy Blunden
>> > <ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>
>> <mailto:ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>>
>> > <mailto:ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>
>> <mailto:ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>>>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I don't understand your allusion to temporality, Mike.
>> > Andy
>> >
>> > mike cole wrote:
>> >
>> > Those are both terrifically useful passages to
>> think with,
>> > Larry and Andy. Thanks. I (so to speak) really
>> > resonate to the
>> > notion of rhythmicity and movement in the first
>> > passage, and
>> > the "doublebarrel" metaphor in the second. I
>> think for the
>> > latter that
>> > barrel is perhaps unfortunate in so far as "two-way"
>> > /temporality/
>> > is backgrounded.
>> >
>> > thanks!
>> > mike
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 7:22 AM, Andy Blunden
>> > <ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>
>> <mailto:ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>>
>> > <mailto:ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>
>> <mailto:ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>>>
>> > <mailto:ablunden@mira.net
>> <mailto:ablunden@mira.net> <mailto:ablunden@mira.net
>> <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>>
>> > <mailto:ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>
>> <mailto:ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>>>>> wrote:
>> >
>> > What about this one Larry?
>> >
>> > ‘Experience’ is what James called a
>> > double-barreled
>> > word. Like
>> > its congeners, life and history, it
>> > includes /what/
>> > men do and
>> > suffer, /what/ they strive for, love,
>> > believe and
>> > endure, and
>> > /how/ men act and are acted upon, the
>> ways
>> > in which
>> > they do and
>> > suffer, desire and enjoy, see, believe,
>> > imagine –
>> > in short,
>> > processes of /experiencing/. ... It is
>> > ‘double-barreled’ in
>> > that
>> > it recognizes in its primary integrity no
>> > division
>> > between act
>> > and material, subject and object, but
>> > contains them
>> > both in an
>> > unanalyzed totality. ‘Thing’ and
>> ‘thought’, as
>> > James says
>> > in the
>> > same connection, are single-barreled;
>> they
>> > refer to
>> > products
>> > discriminated by reflection out of
>> primary
>> > experience (1929
>> > PJD:
>> > 256-7).
>> >
>> > Andy
>> >
>> >
>> > Larry Purss wrote:
>> >
>> > Mike,
>> >
>> > On page 12 of the article on Dewey's
>> > notionotion of
>> > experience the theme
>> > of experience AS
>> > "life overcomes and transforms factors of
>> > opposition to
>> > achieve higher
>> > significance. Harmony and equilibrium
>> are the
>> > resullts
>> > not of
>> > mechanical
>> > processes but of RHYTHMIC resolution of
>> > tension. The
>> > rhythmic
>> > ALTERNATION
>> > within the live creature BETWEEN unity and
>> > disunity
>> > becomes
>> > CONSCIOUS in
>> > humans. Emotion signifies BREAKS in
>> > experience which
>> > are then
>> > resolved
>> > through reflective action"
>> >
>> > I thought this may be a way in to
>> *start* the
>> > conversational
>> > dialogue with
>> > perezhivanie.
>> >
>> > Larry
>> >
>> > On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Larry Purss
>> > <lpscholar2@gmail.com
>> <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com>
>> > <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com
>> <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com>> <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com
>> <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com>
>> > <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com>>
>> **>
>> > <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com
>> <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com>
>> > <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com
>> <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com>> <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com
>> <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com>
>> > <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com
>> <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com>>**>>>
>> >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Michael, Mike:
>> > One more fragment on the definition of
>> > sentipensante:
>> >
>> > Sentipensante pedagogy offers a
>> transformative
>> > vision of
>> > education that
>> > emphasizes the harmonic, complementary
>> > relationship
>> > between the sentir of
>> > intuition and the pensar of
>> intellect and
>> > scholarship;
>> > between teaching and
>> > learning; between formal knowledge and
>> > wisdom; and
>> > between
>> > Western and
>> > non-Western ways of knowing.
>> >
>> > Seems to have some family resemblance to
>> > this theme of
>> > experience
>> > Larry
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 5:37 PM,
>> Larry Purss
>> > <lpscholar2@gmail.com
>> <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com>
>> > <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com>>
>> > <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com
>> <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com>
>> > <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com
>> <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com>>**> <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com
>>
>> <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com>
>> > <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com>>
>> >
>> > <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com
>> <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com>
>> > <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com
>> <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com>>**>>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Mike,
>> > Thanks for this.
>> > Stanford Pub is a wonderful
>> resource.
>> > I seem to
>> > download an author
>> > approximately once a month. For
>> $10 you
>> > support them
>> > and get the articles
>> > sent in a PDF format.
>> >
>> > Michael , here is a link [in
>> Spanish]
>> > to a youtube
>> > video of Orlando
>> > Fals-Borda discussing his
>> understanding of
>> > experience
>> > from the heart.
>> > If you have any articles in English
>> > which you can
>> > share, this seems to be
>> > exploring experience within "felt
>> > awareness".
>> > Seems to be a fascinating
>> expansion of the
>> > understanding of experience.
>> >
>> > Thanks, Michael and Mike
>> >
>> > Larry
>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?**
>> v=LbJWqetRuMo <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbJWqetRuMo>
>> >
>> > On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 3:46 PM,
>> mike cole
>> > <lchcmike@gmail.com
>> <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com>
>> > <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com>>
>> > <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com
>> <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com>
>> > <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com>>>
>> <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com>
>> > <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com>>
>> >
>> > <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com
>> <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com>
>> > <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com
>> <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com>>>>**> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks Larry. Viva la differencia. Here is
>> > a quick
>> > summary of Dewey on
>> > experience. Note that his ideas
>> > are considered
>> > unusual by the author.
>> > That
>> > Stanford pub seems very useful.
>> > mike
>> >
>> >
>> > http://plato.stanford.edu/**entries/dewey-aesthetics/#**
>> HavExp <http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/dewey-aesthetics/#HavExp>
>> >
>> > On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 3:08 PM,
>> > Larry Purss
>> > <lpscholar2@gmail.com
>> <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com>
>> > <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com>>
>> > <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com
>> <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com>
>> > <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com
>> <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com>>**> <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com
>>
>> <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com>
>> > <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com>>
>> >
>> > <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com
>> <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com>
>> > <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com
>> <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com>>**>>>
>> >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Michael,
>> > I also found this site
>> for Orlando
>> > Fals Borda.
>> >
>> > http://comm-org.wisc.edu/si/**falsborda.htm<http://comm-org.wisc.edu/si/falsborda.htm>
>> > If it is off topic
>> please ignore.
>> > However, it
>> > is where my curiosity was
>> > called or invited.
>> >
>> > Larry
>> >
>> > On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at
>> 11:40 AM,
>> > Glassman,
>> > Michael <
>> >
>> > glassman.13@osu.edu <mailto:glassman.13@osu.edu>
>> <mailto:glassman.13@osu.edu <mailto:glassman.13@osu.edu>>
>> > <mailto:glassman.13@osu.edu
>> <mailto:glassman.13@osu.edu>
>> > <mailto:glassman.13@osu.edu
>> <mailto:glassman.13@osu.edu>>> <mailto:glassman.13@osu.edu
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>> > <mailto:glassman.13@osu.edu <mailto:glassman.13@osu.edu>>
>> >
>> > <mailto:glassman.13@osu.edu
>> <mailto:glassman.13@osu.edu> <mailto:glassman.13@osu.edu
>> <mailto:glassman.13@osu.edu>>>**>
>> >
>> >
>> > wrote:
>> > Perhaps
>> > another avenue to
>> > explore might be
>> Ortega y
>> > Gasset's
>> > ideas on
>> > experience (which is
>> > probably in
>> > some ways
>> > reflective of Dewey)
>> >
>> > which was
>> >
>> > appropriated by Orlando Fals Borda
>> > in the
>> > concept of vivencia -
>> >
>> > which is
>> >
>> > very compelling - and became an
>> > important
>> > part of Fals-Borda's
>> >
>> > conception
>> >
>> > of Participatory Action Research.
>> > This
>> > might then tie back
>> to the
>> >
>> > earlier
>> >
>> > issue on PAR.
>> >
>> > Michael
>> >
>> > ______________________________**__________
>> > From:
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>> <mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.**ucsd.edu <xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu>>>
>> >
>> > <mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.**ucsd.edu<xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu>
>> <mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.**ucsd.edu <xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu>>
>> > <mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.**ucsd.edu<xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu>
>> <mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.**ucsd.edu <xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu>>>>>]
>> on
>> >
>> >
>> > behalf
>> >
>> > of mike cole [lchcmike@gmail.com
>> <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com>
>> > <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com>>
>> > <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com
>> <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com> <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com
>> <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com>>>
>> > <mailto:
>> lchcmike@gmail.com <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com>
>> > <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com>>
>> >
>> > <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com
>> <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com> <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com
>> <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com>>>>**]
>> >
>> > Sent: Monday,
>> February 18,
>> > 2013
>> > 2:28 PM
>> > To: Beth Ferholt
>> > Cc: Galina
>> Zuckerman; John
>> > Shotter; Boris
>> > Meshcheryakov; eXtended
>> >
>> > Mind,
>> >
>> > Culture, Activity; James Wertsch;
>> > Alexander Asmolov
>> > Subject: Re: [xmca]
>> > Perezhivanie and
>> > Dewey's concept of
>> experience
>> >
>> > Thanks Beth--
>> >
>> > I ask, firstly,
>> because there
>> > appear quite
>> > clear overlaps as
>> you and
>> >
>> > Monica
>> >
>> > have been exploring.
>> >
>> > Secondly, we have two
>> > submissions
>> > to MCA
>> > on perezhivanie that are
>> >
>> > very
>> >
>> > focused on Russian authors. Over
>> > and above
>> > competing
>> > exegeses of the ideas of
>> > Vygotsky,
>> > Puyzerei, etc., it seems
>> > important
>> >
>> > that
>> >
>> > we figure out ways to explore
>> > different
>> > ways of thinking
>> about the
>> >
>> > general
>> >
>> > category of "experience" that will be
>> > productive of new
>> > empirical and
>> > theoretical
>> investigation.
>> >
>> > mike
>> >
>> > On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at
>> > 9:42 AM, Beth
>> > Ferholt
>> > <bferholt@gmail.com <mailto:bferholt@gmail.com>
>> <mailto:bferholt@gmail.com <mailto:bferholt@gmail.com>>
>> > <mailto:bferholt@gmail.com
>> <mailto:bferholt@gmail.com> <mailto:bferholt@gmail.com
>> <mailto:bferholt@gmail.com>>>
>> > <mailto:
>> bferholt@gmail.com <mailto:bferholt@gmail.com>
>> > <mailto:bferholt@gmail.com <mailto:bferholt@gmail.com>>
>> >
>> > <mailto:bferholt@gmail.com
>> <mailto:bferholt@gmail.com> <mailto:bferholt@gmail.com
>> <mailto:bferholt@gmail.com>>>>**>
>> >
>> >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Monica and I have just started
>> > using
>> > the two concepts in
>> >
>> > conjunction,
>> >
>> > as
>> >
>> > we write about the relation
>> > between
>> > play and
>> learning and
>> > Dewey's
>> >
>> > ideas
>> >
>> > on
>> >
>> > the relation between art and
>> > science
>> > in Art and
>> Experience.
>> > I am
>> >
>> > very
>> >
>> > interested in any ref. you
>> > find as I
>> > have found none
>> yet. Can I
>> >
>> > ask why
>> >
>> > you
>> >
>> > ask now? Beth
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Feb 18, 2013
>> > at 6:09
>> > PM, mike
>> > cole
>> > <lchcmike@gmail.com <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com>
>> <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com>>
>> > <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com
>> <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com> <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com
>> <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com>>>
>> >
>> > <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com>
>> <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com>>
>> >
>> > <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com
>> <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com> <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com
>> <mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com>>>>**>
>> >
>> >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Has anyone written on uses
>> > of the
>> > term
>> perezhivanie
>> > as used
>> > in the
>> > cultural
>> > historical
>> > tradition and
>> > Dewey's
>> > concept of
>> experience?
>> >
>> > references?
>> >
>> > mike
>> >
>> > ______________________________**____________
>> > _____
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>> list
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>> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>>
>> > <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>>>
>> >
>> > <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>>
>> > <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>>>**>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca<http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Beth Ferholt
>> > Assistant Professor
>> > School of Education
>> > Brooklyn
>> College, City
>> > University of
>> > New York
>> > 2900 Bedford Avenue
>> > Brooklyn, NY
>> 11210-2889
>> >
>> > Email:
>> > bferholt@brooklyn.cuny.edu
>> <mailto:bferholt@brooklyn.**cuny.edu <bferholt@brooklyn.cuny.edu>>
>> > <mailto:bferholt@brooklyn.**cuny.edu<bferholt@brooklyn.cuny.edu>
>> <mailto:bferholt@brooklyn.**cuny.edu <bferholt@brooklyn.cuny.edu>>>
>> > <mailto:bferholt@brooklyn.**cuny.edu<bferholt@brooklyn.cuny.edu>
>> <mailto:bferholt@brooklyn.**cuny.edu <bferholt@brooklyn.cuny.edu>>
>> > <mailto:bferholt@brooklyn.**cuny.edu<bferholt@brooklyn.cuny.edu>
>> <mailto:bferholt@brooklyn.**cuny.edu <bferholt@brooklyn.cuny.edu>>>>
>> >
>> > <mailto:bferholt@brooklyn.**cuny.edu<bferholt@brooklyn.cuny.edu>
>> <mailto:bferholt@brooklyn.**cuny.edu <bferholt@brooklyn.cuny.edu>>
>> > <mailto:bferholt@brooklyn.**cuny.edu<bferholt@brooklyn.cuny.edu>
>> <mailto:bferholt@brooklyn.**cuny.edu <bferholt@brooklyn.cuny.edu>>>
>> >
>> > <mailto:bferholt@brooklyn.**cuny.edu<bferholt@brooklyn.cuny.edu>
>> <mailto:bferholt@brooklyn.**cuny.edu <bferholt@brooklyn.cuny.edu>>
>> > <mailto:bferholt@brooklyn.**cuny.edu<bferholt@brooklyn.cuny.edu>
>> <mailto:bferholt@brooklyn.**cuny.edu <bferholt@brooklyn.cuny.edu>>>>>
>> >
>> > Phone: (718)
>> 951-5205
>> > Fax: (718) 951-4816
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ______________________________**____________
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>> > <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>>>
>> >
>> > <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>>
>> >
>> > <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>>>**>
>> >
>> >
>> > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca<http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ______________________________**____________
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>> > <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>>
>> > <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>>>
>> >
>> > <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>>
>> >
>> > <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>>>**>
>> >
>> >
>> > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca<http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca>
>> >
>> >
>> > ______________________________**
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>> > <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>>
>> > <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>> > <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>>> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>>
>> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>> > <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>>
>> >
>> > <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>>>**>
>> >
>> >
>> > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca<http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca>
>> >
>> >
>> > ______________________________**____________
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>> > <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>>
>> > <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>> > <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>>> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>>
>> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>> > <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>>
>> >
>> > <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>>>**>
>> >
>> >
>> > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca<http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca>
>> >
>> >
>> > ______________________________**
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>> > <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>> > <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>>>
>> > <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>> > <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>> > <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>>>*
>> *>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca<http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > ------------------------------**
>> ------------------------------**------------
>> > *Andy Blunden*
>> > Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/
>> <http://home.mira.net/%7Eandy/**>
>> > <http://home.mira.net/%7Eandy/**>
>> > <http://home.mira.net/%7Eandy/**>
>> > <http://home.mira.net/%7Eandy/**>
>> >
>> >
>> > Book: http://www.brill.nl/concepts
>> > http://ucsd.academia.edu/**AndyBlunden<http://ucsd.academia.edu/AndyBlunden>
>> >
>> >
>> > ______________________________**____________
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>> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>>
>> > <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>>>
>> > <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>> > <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>> > <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>>>*
>> *>
>>
>> >
>> > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca<http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > ------------------------------**
>> ------------------------------**------------
>> > *Andy Blunden*
>> > Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/
>> <http://home.mira.net/%7Eandy/**>
>> > <http://home.mira.net/%7Eandy/**>
>> <http://home.mira.net/%7Eandy/**>
>> > Book: http://www.brill.nl/concepts
>> > http://ucsd.academia.edu/**AndyBlunden<http://ucsd.academia.edu/AndyBlunden>
>> >
>> > ______________________________**____________
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>> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>>
>> > <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>> <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>>>
>> > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca<http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > ------------------------------**
>> ------------------------------**------------
>> > *Andy Blunden*
>> > Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/
>> <http://home.mira.net/%7Eandy/**> <http://home.mira.net/%7Eandy/**>
>> > Book: http://www.brill.nl/concepts
>> > http://ucsd.academia.edu/**AndyBlunden<http://ucsd.academia.edu/AndyBlunden>
>> >
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>> >
>> >
>>
>> --
>> ------------------------------**------------------------------**
>> ------------
>> *Andy Blunden*
>> Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/ <http://home.mira.net/%7Eandy/
>> **>
>> Book: http://www.brill.nl/concepts
>> http://ucsd.academia.edu/**AndyBlunden<http://ucsd.academia.edu/AndyBlunden>
>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>>
> --
> ------------------------------**------------------------------**
> ------------
> *Andy Blunden*
> Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/
> Book: http://www.brill.nl/concepts
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