Re: [xmca] empirical evidence (Kohlberg et al., 1968 testing Vygotsky)

[mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>]

Anton-- This is the first i have ever heard about a vygotskian lobby at
harvard.
Who were they? Bruner wrote the intro to the first edition of Thought and
Language, but a lobby?
Kohlberg was basically a Piagetian to my limited knowledge.
So its news to me. What does it portend?
mike

On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 7:37 PM, Anton Yasnitsky <the_yasya@yahoo.com>wrote:

> Interested, indeed.
>
>
> Most curious, were this book of 1950s, more likely 1960s, but please find
> the reference, that would help.
>
>
> AY
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: Wagner Luiz Schmit <wagner.schmit@gmail.com>
> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 9:49:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [xmca] empirical evidence (Kohlberg et al., 1968 testing
> Vygotsky)
>
> It is late here so maybe my memory is not 100%... But last year I remenber
> reading a book from David Ausubel were while criticizing Piaget he cites
> Vygotsky, or that is what I recall, and the book first edition was on the
> 50's or 60's... I can try to find this if anyone is interested..
>
> Wagner Luiz Schmit
> Brazil
>
> 2012/6/24 Michael Glassman <MGlassman@ehe.osu.edu>
>
> > I am thinking Kohlberg got his knowledge of Vygotsky through Piaget.
> >  Didn't Piaget write his response to Vygotsky in 1962?  I don't know why
> > but that sticks in my mind.  Kohlberg was sending at least some of his
> > students to Geneva during that period.  Possibly one or more of those
> > people brought Vygotsky and Thought and Language back.  I remember
> talking
> > some years back with somebody who was in Geneva during the period who
> said
> > Piaget kept saying Vygotsky misunderstood him.  Who knows, but it seems
> > plausible.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu on behalf of Anton Yasnitsky
> > Sent: Sun 6/24/2012 9:16 PM
> > To: Martin Packer; eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> > Subject: Re: [xmca] empirical evidence (Kohlberg et al., 1968 testing
> > Vygotsky)
> >
> >
> >
> > True and thanks for a copy, but there is no evidence (as of now) whether
> > Flavell new and was utilizing any of Vygotsky in his paper of 1966, -- is
> > there?
> >
> >
> > ... But, frankly, who cares, after all :)
> >
> >
> > AY
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >  From: Martin Packer <packer@duq.edu>
> > To: Anton Yasnitsky <the_yasya@yahoo.com>; "eXtended Mind, Culture,
> >  Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 8:43:07 PM
> > Subject: Re: [xmca] empirical evidence (Kohlberg et al., 1968 testing
> > Vygotsky)
> >
> > But Flavell had presented a paper on the same topic 4 years earlier, and
> > was credited in a footnote.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jun 24, 2012, at 7:38 PM, Anton Yasnitsky wrote:
> >
> > > For Vygotsky, Kohlberg, of Harvard, certainly would not need mediation
> > of Flavell: the book had come out in 1962, and was orchestrated by the
> > bunch of guys at Harvard,
> > > which clearly was a stronghold of Vygotsky's admirers back then, i.e.
> in
> > 1960s and 1970s.
> > __________________________________________
> > _____
> > xmca mailing list
> > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________
> > _____
> > xmca mailing list
> > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca
> >
> >
> __________________________________________
> _____
> xmca mailing list
> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca
> __________________________________________
> _____
> xmca mailing list
> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca
>
__________________________________________
_____
xmca mailing list
xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca