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Re: [xmca] Znak and Priznak

So pre-znak is natural line of development, while znak is cultural line?
Naw. My squirrels know when my tomatoes are ripe, darn critters.
mike

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Peg Griffin <Peg.Griffin@att.net> wrote:

> BTW, H. P. Grice used an example like "redness of a tomato ... that it is
> ripe" when he was discussing his distinction between "meaning natural" and
> "meaning non-natural."
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On
> Behalf Of Bella Kotik-Friedgut
> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 4:14 AM
> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> Subject: Re: [xmca] Znak and Priznak
>
> I would say that znak is closer to index but priznak may be also some real
> quality (redness of a tomato is a priznak that it is ripe) may be priznak
> we
> can see as pre znak?
> Bella Kotik
>
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 12:48 AM, Achilles Delari Junior <
> achilles_delari@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi, XMCA,
> >
> > One more extemporaneous question.
> >
> > Do you know something about any relations between the Russian term
> > "priznak"
> > and the peircean concept of "index"? There are many mentions to "priznak"
> > in the
> > "Studies on the history of behavior: ape, primitive, and child" from
> > Vygotsky and Luria... and, of course, a "priznak" must be a kind of
> > "znak" (sign)...
> > But no
> > necessarily the "priznak"'s role, in some kinds of relations between
> > human beings and his environment, is posed in strictly semiotic terms
> > along the book...
> > Can we
> > find something more about the role of "index" in Vygotsky theory of sign?
> > How
> > does Russian semiotics designate Pierce typology of sings, for instance?
> >
> > Thank you very much.
> >
> > Achilles.
> > >From Brazil.
> >
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