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BTW, H. P. Grice used an example like "redness of a tomato ... that it is ripe" when he was discussing his distinction between "meaning natural" and "meaning non-natural." -----Original Message----- From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of Bella Kotik-Friedgut Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 4:14 AM To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity Subject: Re: [xmca] Znak and Priznak I would say that znak is closer to index but priznak may be also some real quality (redness of a tomato is a priznak that it is ripe) may be priznak we can see as pre znak? Bella Kotik On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 12:48 AM, Achilles Delari Junior < achilles_delari@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Hi, XMCA, > > One more extemporaneous question. > > Do you know something about any relations between the Russian term > "priznak" > and the peircean concept of "index"? There are many mentions to "priznak" > in the > "Studies on the history of behavior: ape, primitive, and child" from > Vygotsky and Luria... and, of course, a "priznak" must be a kind of > "znak" (sign)... > But no > necessarily the "priznak"'s role, in some kinds of relations between > human beings and his environment, is posed in strictly semiotic terms > along the book... > Can we > find something more about the role of "index" in Vygotsky theory of sign? > How > does Russian semiotics designate Pierce typology of sings, for instance? > > Thank you very much. > > Achilles. > >From Brazil. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Acesse o Portal MSN do seu celular e se mantenha sempre atualizado. > Clique aqui. > > http://www.windowslive.com.br/celular/home.asp?utm_source=MSN_Hotmail&; > utm_medium=Tagline&utm_campaign=MobileServices200908__________________ > _____________________________ > xmca mailing list > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca > -- Sincerely yours Bella Kotik-Friedgut _______________________________________________ xmca mailing list xmca@weber.ucsd.edu http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca _______________________________________________ xmca mailing list xmca@weber.ucsd.edu http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca