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Re: [xmca] Intransitivity and Intransigence



David,

I'm in general agreement with your perspective on Habermas. On the positive side his work shows just how important an understanding of ontogenesis is for any kind of critical analysis: a critical theory, emancipatory inquiry, etc. To put it simply, how people act now depends not only on their current circumstances but also on their past experiences, so any sort of emancipatory effort, whether it is psychotherapy or political organization, needs to be able to comprehend the impact of those experiences.
At first Habermas, like Horkheimer and Adorno, turned to Freud for an  
account of ontogenesis, specifically an account of the ways traumatic  
experiences in childhood lead to distortions in adult communication.  
But this got him into trouble and the kind of approach to ontogenesis  
that Habermas has been drawing on since then has been structuralist:  
Piaget for an account of the ontogenesis of instrumental knowledge,  
Kohlberg for moral knowledge, and Selman for social knowledge. I have   
respect for each of those three, but their work rests on assumptions  
that I have trouble with. For Habermas they offer a kind of rational  
reconstruction of ontogenesis that he believes is able to separate  
what is contingent from what is necessary and universal. I am  
skeptical. They also, as you point out, downplay what goes on 'below'  
the level of concepts, and consider the abstract to be a transcendence  
of the concrete and actual rather than a transformation of it.
It is ironic, and disappointing, that Habermas has never turned his  
attention to LSV.
Martin

On Oct 22, 2009, at 9:02 PM, David Kellogg wrote:

Martin and Wolff-Michael:

Thanks for taking the time to patiently explain some Heidegger to a philosophical neophyte. Wolff-Michael is right when he suspects I have not studied it. First of all, my German is nowhere near good enough. Secondly, I am Jewish (despite a goyische surname which my maternal grandmother always suspected meant "kill hog") and, despite our well known inclination to take suffering and even existence rather unsentimentally, I share with other Jews a strong disinclination to make our continued existence a topic of discussion.
But thirdly, my real interest is not Heidegger at all, but Adorno; I  
started reading Heidegger only in order to understand Adorno's  
consuming distaste for him. It's Adorno, not I, who says that  
Heidegger's view of language is unmediated. But now I really AM  
quite interested in understanding what that means.
I think Adorno does NOT mean that Heidegger's view of language is  
unmediated in some ontological sense; that "language is" in the  
sense that "being is" or "death is". It seems to me that what he's  
arguing is a lot more subtle: it's that the statement that "being  
is" or "death is" IMPLIES, although it does not explicitly state,  
that "language is", because "being" and "death" are "given to  
us" (to use a somewhat unfortunate Andyism) not by experience but  
only by language. That is an argument with which I think I am in  
full agreement.
(The more I read of Adorno the more I find I disagree with him at my  
peril, and so like Tony I am quite uneasy about his views on jazz,  
which he considers "slave music". I suppose in a sense he is right,  
but it seems to me that the choice we are then given is a choice  
between the music of slaves and that of slave masters, and I am more  
than a little surprised that he prefers the latter.)
Adorno provides an antidote to Habermas, whose views on psychology  
are almost pure Piagetianism (though Adorno himself is a little two  
inclined to Freudianism for my taste, he uses Freud to great effect  
in his critique of fascist aesthetics.) Habermas' affinity for  
Piaget means "communicative rationality" is basically something laid  
on top of the other forms of rationality, rather the way that formal  
thinking rises out of concrete operations. That leads to a really  
miserable kind of ethnocentrism, where the bit that I am interested  
in, the part Habermas calls "evaluative" rationality involved in  
aesthetic judgment, gets utterly short shrift.
On the one hand, Habermas has the problem of explaining how cultures  
which are supposedly lacking in cognitive-instrumental discourses  
(teleological rationality) nevertheless appear to have fully  
develped forms of evaluative discourse (dramaturgical rationality).  
On the other, Habermas is left in a world where Western myths about  
the "invisible hand" of the market and the sovereign individual are  
considered forms of rationality while Azande myths about magic  
spells and the sovereignty witches are not.
All of this could EASILY have been avoided, if Habermas had just  
bothered to read and take seriously Vygotsky's critique of Levy- 
Bruhl and other early ethnographers and his observation that a lot  
of what we consider "adult" thinking takes place BELOW the level of  
concepts, and probably OUGHT to keep doing so. For example, as a  
jazz lover, I am quite unwilling to give up my musical affinity for  
concrete and factual links between ideas, and as a painter I am  
positively wedded to them.
All of which renews my appreciation for Chapter Five of Thinking and  
Speech, and also Paula and Carol's work on "Wolves and Other  
Vygotskyan Constructs". I started reading their work convinced that  
Chapter Six, where Vygotsky champions "leaving complexes at the  
school door" and teaching a school curriculum entirely aimed at  
concept development, represented the "real" Vygotsky. Now, I am not  
at all sure; it seems to me that in the field of aesthetic education  
at least Chapter Six represents a concession to educational  
Stakhanovism, a concession far too far.
David Kellogg
Seoul National University of Education

PS: Andy, it seems to me that a question we really need to ask is whether or not childhood has been made artificially long in so- called modern societies, all of which suffer from capitalist overproduction and consequently chronic under-employment. The Michael Jackson phenomenon, the peculiarly Western phenomenon of great children's lit written by pedophiles (Lewis Carroll, J.M. Barrie, etc) and (most recently) the obsession with the "balloon boy" hoax all suggest that in so-called modern societies, it is not children who are hurried so much as adults who are retarded,
There's a good article by Suzanne Gaskins on Mayan children who (she  
argues) do not actually play, but only engage in various forms of  
legitimate peripheral participation on the fringes of adult  
activity. She makes a good case that this is a perfectly valid way  
of life, far better suited to this environment than what you and I  
call "childhood".
Gaskins, S. (1999) Children's Daily Lives in a Mayan Village: A Case  
Study of Culturally Constructed Roles and Activities. In Goncu, A.  
Children's Engagement in the World, pp. 25-61. CUP.
d




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