Re: Fwd: Fwd: [xmca] A Failure of Communication

[mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>]

Guess we got it wrong, Larry. Not so interesting after all.
mike

On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:

> Even then, she garbles the definitions of the supposedly only theories of
> concepts known to humankind.
> Andy
>
> mike cole wrote:
>
>> Good lecture for a cog sci over view, Larry. I wonder what Roth and others
>> had to say as responses. Could not find.
>> mike
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 6:46 AM, Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Andy Charles, and others
>>> Here is an interesting lecture on the concept of concepts which may be
>>> helpful for this chat.
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=1VvMEnnReK4<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VvMEnnReK4>
>>>
>>> It is an elaboration of an article on this topic.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 7:25 AM, Charles Bazerman <
>>> bazerman@eduhttp://www.**youtube.com/watch?v=**
>>> 1VvMEnnReK4cation.ucsb.edu<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VvMEnnReK4cation.ucsb.edu>
>>>
>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>       Dewey's "The Reflex Arc Concept in Psychology" (1896) is not far
>>>> from
>>>> Vygotsky's 1925 talk on the crisis in Psychology--giving them both
>>>>
>>>>
>>> similar
>>>
>>>
>>>> starting points.
>>>> Chuck
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Robert Lake <boblake@georgiasouthern.edu>
>>>> Date: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 7:20 am
>>>> Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: [xmca] A Failure of Communication
>>>> To: vwilk@inf.shizuoka.ac.jp, "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <
>>>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi and thanks for asking
>>>>> RL
>>>>>
>>>>> For Dewey, *Mind is primarily a verb *(Dewey, 1934, p. 274).
>>>>>
>>>>> Dewey, J. (1934). *Art as experience*. New York: Capricorn.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course this notion comes straight out of Hegel who wrote that
>>>>> "mind is
>>>>> only what it does, and its act is to make itself the object of its
>>>>> own consciousness" .*Philosophy of Right*,
>>>>> §<
>>>>>  343, 216.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 10:36 PM, vwilk <vwilk@inf.shizuoka.ac.jp>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> If the Ur-Act, the basic, elementary act of human (intellectual) life
>>>>>> relevant to concepts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For all the stars of present-day continental philosophy is:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> pidgeon-holing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> and the concrete answer given by Hegel, Vygotsky, Activity Theory,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Thomas
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Kuhn
>>>>>> and Andy is: problem-solving.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is the concrete path of development that goes through Dewey?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (2012/11/14 10:05), Robert Lake wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And don't forget Dewey :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  Larry, picking up on a theme introduced by Mike earlier - we have
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> to ask:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> what is the Ur-Act, the basic, elementary act of human
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (intellectual)
>>>
>>>
>>>>  life?
>>>>>>>> I know of only two answers to this question, relevant to concepts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The abstract answer given by mediavel logic, Linnaeus, the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "psychology of
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> concepts," all the stars of present-day continental philosophy is:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     pidgeon-holing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The concrete answer given by Hegel, Vygotsky, Activity Theory,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thomas
>>>
>>>
>>>>  Kuhn
>>>>>>>> and me is:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     problem-solving.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is what creates a line of development, Larry.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Andy
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------******--------------------------**
>>> --**--**
>>>
>>>
>>>>  ------------
>>>>>>>> *Andy Blunden*
>>>>>>>> Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/
>>>>>>>> Book: http://www.brill.nl/concepts
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>               Larry Purss wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Andy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> your comment:
>>>>>>>>> "Ideal typical path of development" *points to* distinct settings
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (e.g.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>  natural science, everyday life at home, school, etc.) which is
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> indeed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  close
>>>>>>>>> to the idea of "genre," but "ideal typical path of development"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> is after
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>  all about *paths of development*, ideal ones at that, not
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> settings,
>>>
>>>
>>>>  projects, theories, domains, social groups, frames, or anything
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> else. :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>    Andy, if the focus remains on *typical paths of development* OF
>>>>>>>>> genres,
>>>>>>>>> OF distinct settings OF the existential life world, is it
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> possible to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>  have
>>>>>>>>> a conversation within the multi-verse of *romantic science*
>>>>>>>>> As I understand the focus on *typical* is *scientific*  the paths
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>  development may be romantic and implicate effective history.
>>>>>>>>>   I am circling around your invitation to have conversations that
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>  interdiciplinary. Simon Critchley, exploring the development of
>>>>>>>>> Continental
>>>>>>>>> Philosophy wrote about Heidegger's idea of
>>>>>>>>>    *an existential CONCEPTION of science*  Critchley commented,
>>>>>>>>>   "This would show how the practices of the natural sciences
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> arise out
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>  of
>>>>>>>>> life-world practices, and that the life-world practices are not
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> simply
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  reducible to natural scientific explanation"
>>>>>>>>>   Andy, your specific project to develop awareness of the *typical
>>>>>>>>> paths*
>>>>>>>>> of develop of concept use and transformation through time is
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  emerging
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  within a particular  tradition or genre of discourse [within
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> effective
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  history].  I am playfully inquiring if it may be  possible to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *play* [a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>  word you would not use but points to a hermeneutical genre] on a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> larger
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>  *field of play*  that *hears* and acknowledges your voice.
>>>>>>>>>   I will bring the discussion back to the paper under discussion
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>  fuzzy boundaries between spontaneous and scientific
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [systematically
>>>
>>>
>>>>  'true'
>>>>>>>>> organized] concepts.  Andy the path of development FROM
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> spontaneous TO
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>  scientific concepts seems to have deen articulated within a genre.
>>>>>>>>> However,
>>>>>>>>> this is not a dis-interested scientific development. Mike pointed
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>  developmental praxis as centrally concerning *social goods,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> including
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  moral
>>>>>>>>> goods*.
>>>>>>>>>   Within our developing understanding of  ideal paths of concept
>>>>>>>>> formation
>>>>>>>>> how is this emerging understanding circling back to exploring how
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>  *hearing* gives *voice* to the other*?
>>>>>>>>> {Which I suggest is one way to view the development of psychology
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> as a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>  project within a shared moral compass}
>>>>>>>>>   Larry
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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