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Re: Fwd: Fwd: [xmca] A Failure of Communication
Andy Charles, and others
Here is an interesting lecture on the concept of concepts which may be
helpful for this chat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VvMEnnReK4
It is an elaboration of an article on this topic.
Larry
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 7:25 AM, Charles Bazerman <
bazerman@eduhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VvMEnnReK4cation.ucsb.edu>wrote:
> Dewey's "The Reflex Arc Concept in Psychology" (1896) is not far from
> Vygotsky's 1925 talk on the crisis in Psychology--giving them both similar
> starting points.
> Chuck
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Robert Lake <boblake@georgiasouthern.edu>
> Date: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 7:20 am
> Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: [xmca] A Failure of Communication
> To: vwilk@inf.shizuoka.ac.jp, "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <
> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>
> > Hi and thanks for asking
> > RL
> >
> > For Dewey, *Mind is primarily a verb *(Dewey, 1934, p. 274).
> >
> > Dewey, J. (1934). *Art as experience*. New York: Capricorn.
> >
> >
> > Of course this notion comes straight out of Hegel who wrote that
> > "mind is
> > only what it does, and its act is to make itself the object of its
> > own consciousness" .*Philosophy of Right*,
> > §<
> > 343, 216.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 10:36 PM, vwilk <vwilk@inf.shizuoka.ac.jp>
> wrote:
> >
> > > If the Ur-Act, the basic, elementary act of human (intellectual) life
> > > relevant to concepts.
> > >
> > > For all the stars of present-day continental philosophy is:
> pidgeon-holing.
> > > and the concrete answer given by Hegel, Vygotsky, Activity Theory,
> Thomas
> > > Kuhn
> > > and Andy is: problem-solving.
> > >
> > > What is the concrete path of development that goes through Dewey?
> > >
> > >
> > > (2012/11/14 10:05), Robert Lake wrote:
> > >
> > >> And don't forget Dewey :-)
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net>
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Larry, picking up on a theme introduced by Mike earlier - we have
> > to ask:
> > >>> what is the Ur-Act, the basic, elementary act of human (intellectual)
> > >>> life?
> > >>> I know of only two answers to this question, relevant to concepts.
> > >>>
> > >>> The abstract answer given by mediavel logic, Linnaeus, the
> > "psychology of
> > >>> concepts," all the stars of present-day continental philosophy is:
> > >>>
> > >>> pidgeon-holing.
> > >>>
> > >>> The concrete answer given by Hegel, Vygotsky, Activity Theory, Thomas
> > >>> Kuhn
> > >>> and me is:
> > >>>
> > >>> problem-solving.
> > >>>
> > >>> This is what creates a line of development, Larry.
> > >>>
> > >>> Andy
> > >>> --
> > >>> ------------------------------****----------------------------**--**
> > >>> ------------
> > >>> *Andy Blunden*
> > >>> Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/
> > >>> Book: http://www.brill.nl/concepts
> > >>>
> > >>> <
> > >>> >
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Larry Purss wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Andy
> > >>>> your comment:
> > >>>> "Ideal typical path of development" *points to* distinct settings
> > (e.g.
> > >>>> natural science, everyday life at home, school, etc.) which is
> indeed
> > >>>> close
> > >>>> to the idea of "genre," but "ideal typical path of development"
> > is after
> > >>>> all about *paths of development*, ideal ones at that, not settings,
> > >>>> projects, theories, domains, social groups, frames, or anything
> > else. :)
> > >>>> Andy, if the focus remains on *typical paths of development* OF
> > >>>> genres,
> > >>>> OF distinct settings OF the existential life world, is it
> > possible to
> > >>>> have
> > >>>> a conversation within the multi-verse of *romantic science*
> > >>>> As I understand the focus on *typical* is *scientific* the paths
> > of
> > >>>> development may be romantic and implicate effective history.
> > >>>> I am circling around your invitation to have conversations that
> > are
> > >>>> interdiciplinary. Simon Critchley, exploring the development of
> > >>>> Continental
> > >>>> Philosophy wrote about Heidegger's idea of
> > >>>> *an existential CONCEPTION of science* Critchley commented,
> > >>>> "This would show how the practices of the natural sciences
> > arise out
> > >>>> of
> > >>>> life-world practices, and that the life-world practices are not
> simply
> > >>>> reducible to natural scientific explanation"
> > >>>> Andy, your specific project to develop awareness of the *typical
> > >>>> paths*
> > >>>> of develop of concept use and transformation through time is
> emerging
> > >>>> within a particular tradition or genre of discourse [within
> effective
> > >>>> history]. I am playfully inquiring if it may be possible to
> > *play* [a
> > >>>> word you would not use but points to a hermeneutical genre] on a
> > larger
> > >>>> *field of play* that *hears* and acknowledges your voice.
> > >>>> I will bring the discussion back to the paper under discussion
> > and the
> > >>>> fuzzy boundaries between spontaneous and scientific [systematically
> > >>>> 'true'
> > >>>> organized] concepts. Andy the path of development FROM
> > spontaneous TO
> > >>>> scientific concepts seems to have deen articulated within a genre.
> > >>>> However,
> > >>>> this is not a dis-interested scientific development. Mike pointed
> > to
> > >>>> developmental praxis as centrally concerning *social goods,
> including
> > >>>> moral
> > >>>> goods*.
> > >>>> Within our developing understanding of ideal paths of concept
> > >>>> formation
> > >>>> how is this emerging understanding circling back to exploring how
> > our
> > >>>> *hearing* gives *voice* to the other*?
> > >>>> {Which I suggest is one way to view the development of psychology
> > as a
> > >>>> project within a shared moral compass}
> > >>>> Larry
> > >>>>
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