Thanks Andy--
It would be really interesting to read jointly, but no idea in the
world of how to accomplish that!!
mike
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net
<mailto:ablunden@mira.net>> wrote:
Yep.
http://www.marxists.org/archive/lektorsky/subject-object/index.htm
Andy
mike cole wrote:
Great to have Lektorsky brought into this conversation. I
wonder, is the
book widely available in English? Did I miss a link somewhere?
mike
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Haydi Zulfei
<haydizulfei@rocketmail.com
<mailto:haydizulfei@rocketmail.com>>wrote:
Overcoming the deep-thinking and worry of the problems of
the Region ,
Dear Larry , I came to my study to read anew the once-read
article sent to
you and , happy to say , I'm exactly at the point you're
stationing on page
22 . Yes , I accept the WHOLE of what V. A . Lektorsky
says in this article
and His "Subject,Object,Activity" , a book , indeed .
Thank you , too , for
your insistence on finding a way for 'dialogues' . Haydi
( out Net
problems most of the time ! hope it works ! )
________________________________
From: Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com
<mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com>>
To: Haydi Zulfei <haydizulfei@rocketmail.com
<mailto:haydizulfei@rocketmail.com>>; "eXtended Mind, Culture,
Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>>
Cc: Robert Lake <boblake@georgiasouthern.edu
<mailto:boblake@georgiasouthern.edu>>
Sent: Monday, 2 January 2012, 10:02:13
Subject: Re: [xmca] speaking of rocks and cathedrals
Robert, I want to agree with you and acknowledge the
poetic way Haydi
expressed these relations.
Haydi, I also am enjoying reading the article on Social
Being and the
Human Essence. On page 22 Lektorsky says,
The self is seen as a system of relations, between myself
and others.
Outside of this system of relations, I simply cannot
exist. I am by my
nature a DIALOGICAL essence.... This approach gives rise
to a whole range
of questions which simply did not exist for Descartes or
Fichte (they begin
to emerge with Hegel's Phenomenology of Spirit). There is
the problem of
my Being-for-others, Being-for-myself, and the
Being-of-others-for-me....
In my view, introspection should not be conceived as a
relation of
someone to something purely INSIDE him - or herself, but
as a SPECIAL WAY
of relating oneself to others. Introspection is really
'EXTRA-spection'. A
human being ALWAYS lives on the BOUNDARY between self and
other.
Haydi, do you accept the centraity of the QUESTIONS that
Lektorsky is
posing as necessary themes to have conversations about???
I'm going back to reading the article. The method of written
composition [the genre] in how David Bakhurst is
presenting these themes is
enjoyable as I love listening in on others conversations.
Haydi thanks for taking the steps into action to respond
to my reflections
that come from left-field.
Larry
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Haydi Zulfei
<haydizulfei@rocketmail.com
<mailto:haydizulfei@rocketmail.com>>
wrote:
You are so kind , Robert !! At times , in my confusion ,
I don't know how
to :-) Encouraging !! Thanks a lot !! I did wish you a
happy New Year ,
too . Haydi
________________________________
From: Robert Lake <boblake@georgiasouthern.edu
<mailto:boblake@georgiasouthern.edu>>
To: Haydi Zulfei <haydizulfei@rocketmail.com
<mailto:haydizulfei@rocketmail.com>>; "eXtended Mind,
Culture,
Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>>
Sent: Monday, 2 January 2012, 7:47:41
Subject: Re: [xmca] speaking of rocks and cathedrals
Wow Havdi!
Have you written about this in greater detail anywhere?
If so can you direct me? If not, you need to.
Happy New Year!
Robert Lake
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 6:04 AM, Haydi Zulfei
<haydizulfei@rocketmail.com
<mailto:haydizulfei@rocketmail.com>>
wrote:
True Andy !
I didn't continue : " The moment the floundering
footstep of the IDEAL
touches the firm GROUND of the 'world of reality' , as to
its nature , it
jumps once again in a space of a blink , yearning to unite
anew with her
beloved consort fere , the ACTION , towards a re-start of
another pulse of
'subjectivity' "
________________________________
From: Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net
<mailto:ablunden@mira.net>>
To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity"
<xmca@weber.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>>
Sent: Sunday, 1 January 2012, 17:58:41
Subject: Re: [xmca] speaking of rocks and cathedrals
Well, it becomes an ideal I guess.
And on that I beg to differ with just one of
Haydi's dot points.
Haydi said: "Ideal , when reified, is no longer
ideal."
I would have thought that when an ideal is
reified, then it attains the
most stable of all possible forms of reification. That
pile of rocks, if
exumed 2000 years later, may still exhibit the properties
of a cathedral if
the thought was put into action by Saint Exupery.
For 2012, I guess I look forward to the deepening
economic decline of
Europe and the US putting pressure on China to stimulate
its domestic
market, and thereby lend more power to the rising tide of
resistance among
ordinary people demanding the rule of law in their
country. And I would
dearly like to see Syria join Libya and build something
worthwhile from the
ashes of their previous efforts to shake off imperialist
domination. And it
would be good to see Iran join the Arab Spring too. And
keep the US the
hell out of intervening in that country.
Andy
mike cole wrote:
I want to join the voices for wishing all
"present" the best of
fortune in
the new year. We now reach from Invertebrates
to God in our modest
explorations of the processes of
human development. :))
The following thought came to me in
thinking about what ensues if one
accepts the invitation to imagine
what will happen in the next year --
what you hope for, what you fear,
what
you could not expect and so
can't think about. It is from St.
Exupery.
A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile
the moment a single man
contemplates
it, bearing within him the image of a cathedral.
Antoine de Saint-Exupery<
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/antoinedes161736.html>
Its an interesting thought, but "negative" in
the sense that it tells
us
what a rock ceases to be but does not
specify what it has become "the
moment it a single man contemplates
it."
It seems apt to the discussion.
An awful lot takes place in that moment!
Happy New Year,
mike
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