Re: [xmca] speaking of rocks and cathedrals

[mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>]

Thanks Andy--

It would be really interesting to read jointly, but no idea in the world of
how to accomplish that!!
mike

On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:

> Yep.
>
> http://www.marxists.org/**archive/lektorsky/subject-**object/index.htm<http://www.marxists.org/archive/lektorsky/subject-object/index.htm>
>
> Andy
> mike cole wrote:
>
>> Great to have Lektorsky brought into this conversation. I wonder, is the
>> book widely available in English? Did I miss a link somewhere?
>> mike
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Haydi Zulfei <haydizulfei@rocketmail.com
>> >**wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Overcoming the deep-thinking and worry of the problems of the Region ,
>>> Dear Larry , I came to my study to read anew the once-read article sent
>>> to
>>> you and , happy to say , I'm exactly at the point you're stationing on
>>> page
>>> 22 . Yes , I accept the WHOLE of what V. A . Lektorsky says in this
>>> article
>>> and His "Subject,Object,Activity" , a book , indeed . Thank you , too ,
>>> for
>>> your insistence on finding a way for 'dialogues' .  Haydi   ( out Net
>>> problems most of the time ! hope it works ! )
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________**__
>>>  From: Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com>
>>> To: Haydi Zulfei <haydizulfei@rocketmail.com>; "eXtended Mind, Culture,
>>> Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>>> Cc: Robert Lake <boblake@georgiasouthern.edu>
>>> Sent: Monday, 2 January 2012, 10:02:13
>>> Subject: Re: [xmca] speaking of rocks and cathedrals
>>>
>>>
>>> Robert, I want to agree with you and acknowledge the poetic way Haydi
>>> expressed these relations.
>>>
>>> Haydi, I also am enjoying reading the article on Social Being and the
>>> Human Essence. On page 22 Lektorsky says,
>>>
>>> The self is seen as a system of relations, between myself and others.
>>> Outside of this system of relations, I simply cannot exist. I am by my
>>> nature a DIALOGICAL essence.... This approach gives rise to a whole range
>>> of questions which simply did not exist for Descartes or Fichte (they
>>> begin
>>> to emerge with Hegel's Phenomenology of Spirit).  There is the problem of
>>> my Being-for-others, Being-for-myself, and the Being-of-others-for-me....
>>>     In my view, introspection should not be conceived as a relation of
>>> someone to something purely INSIDE him - or herself, but as a SPECIAL WAY
>>> of relating oneself to others. Introspection is really 'EXTRA-spection'.
>>>  A
>>> human being ALWAYS lives on the BOUNDARY between self and other.
>>>
>>> Haydi, do you accept the centraity of the QUESTIONS that Lektorsky is
>>> posing as necessary themes to have conversations about???
>>>
>>> I'm going back to reading the article.  The method of written
>>> composition [the genre] in how David Bakhurst is presenting these themes
>>> is
>>> enjoyable as I love listening in on others conversations.
>>>
>>> Haydi thanks for taking the steps into action to respond to my
>>> reflections
>>> that come from left-field.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Haydi Zulfei <haydizulfei@rocketmail.com
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> You are so kind , Robert !!  At times , in my confusion , I don't know
>>> how
>>> to :-)  Encouraging !! Thanks a lot !! I did wish you a happy New Year ,
>>> too .    Haydi
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> ______________________________**__
>>>> From: Robert Lake <boblake@georgiasouthern.edu>
>>>> To: Haydi Zulfei <haydizulfei@rocketmail.com>; "eXtended Mind, Culture,
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Sent: Monday, 2 January 2012, 7:47:41
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [xmca] speaking of rocks and cathedrals
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wow Havdi!
>>>> Have you written about this in greater detail anywhere?
>>>> If so can you direct me? If not, you need to.
>>>> Happy New Year!
>>>> Robert Lake
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 6:04 AM, Haydi Zulfei <
>>>> haydizulfei@rocketmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> True Andy !
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I didn't continue : " The moment the floundering footstep of the IDEAL
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> touches the firm GROUND of the 'world of reality' , as to its nature ,
>>> it
>>> jumps once again in a space of a blink , yearning to unite anew with her
>>> beloved consort fere , the ACTION , towards a re-start of another pulse
>>> of
>>> 'subjectivity' "
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> ______________________________**__
>>>>> From: Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net>
>>>>> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, 1 January 2012, 17:58:41
>>>>> Subject: Re: [xmca] speaking of rocks and cathedrals
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, it becomes an ideal I guess.
>>>>>
>>>>> And on that I beg to differ with just one of Haydi's dot points.
>>>>>
>>>>> Haydi said: "Ideal , when reified, is no longer ideal."
>>>>>
>>>>> I would have thought that when an ideal is reified, then it attains the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> most stable of all possible forms of reification. That pile of rocks, if
>>> exumed 2000 years later, may still exhibit the properties of a cathedral
>>> if
>>> the thought was put into action by Saint Exupery.
>>>
>>>
>>>> For 2012, I guess I look forward to the deepening economic decline of
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Europe and the US putting pressure on China to stimulate its domestic
>>> market, and thereby lend more power to the rising tide of resistance
>>> among
>>> ordinary people demanding the rule of law in their country. And I would
>>> dearly like to see Syria join Libya and build something worthwhile from
>>> the
>>> ashes of their previous efforts to shake off imperialist domination. And
>>> it
>>> would be good to see Iran join the Arab Spring too. And keep the US the
>>> hell out of intervening in that country.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Andy
>>>>>
>>>>> mike cole wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I want to join the voices for wishing all "present" the best of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> fortune in
>>>
>>>
>>>> the new year. We now reach from Invertebrates to God in our modest
>>>>>>          explorations of the processes of human development. :))
>>>>>>          The following thought came to me in thinking about what
>>>>>> ensues if one
>>>>>>          accepts the invitation to imagine
>>>>>>          what will happen in the next year -- what you hope for, what
>>>>>> you fear,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> what
>>>
>>>
>>>> you could not expect and so
>>>>>>          can't think about. It is from St. Exupery.
>>>>>>          A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> contemplates
>>>
>>>
>>>> it, bearing within him the image of a cathedral.
>>>>>>           Antoine de Saint-Exupery<
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.brainyquote.com/**quotes/quotes/a/**antoinedes161736.html<http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/antoinedes161736.html>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>> Its an interesting thought, but "negative" in the sense that it tells
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> us
>>>
>>>
>>>> what a rock ceases to be but does not
>>>>>>          specify what it has become "the moment it a single man
>>>>>> contemplates
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> it."
>>>
>>>
>>>> It seems apt to the discussion.
>>>>>>          An awful lot takes place in that moment!
>>>>>>          Happy New Year,
>>>>>>          mike
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
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