Re: [xmca] speaking of rocks and cathedrals

[Jay Lemke <jaylemke@umich.edu>]

For those of you interested in Lektorsky, and his more recent work, I came across this update from him posted to the website of a research center at the U of Pittsburgh that had previously hosted him, I believe.

Vladislav Lektorsky
Epistemology Center of the Institute of Philosophy of the Russian Academy of Science, Russia
Fall Term 1995

June 2011
Recently two books under my editorship (and with my participation as an author) appeared: New horizons of Epistemology, 2010 and Natural and Artificial Intelligence: Philosophical Perspectives, 2011 (in Russian).
At the end of 2009 an article, which was important for me, was published: “Questions in Philosophy, Science and Education,” In: The Socratic Tradition: Questioning as Philosophy and as Method, Ed. M. Sintonen. College Publications. Milton Keynes. UK. 2009. Pp, 157-167.
In September 2010 I gave a paper at the meeting of the International Institute of Philosophy (Paris): World Unity and Cultural Diversity (to be published in English). 
In October 2010 at the University of Helsinki I gave a paper on “The Activity Approach in Russian Philosophy and Psychology in the second half of the XXth Century” (to be published in English). 
In April 2011 I was elected a titular member of Academie Internationale de la Philosophie de la science (Brussels).
Areas of current research: epistemology and cognitive science; philosophy of psychology; Activity Approach in Russian philosophy and psychology, and the current stage in Cognitive Science: “embodied cognition”, “extended mind”.




Jay Lemke
Senior Research Scientist
Laboratory for Comparative Human Cognition
Adjunct Professor, Department of Communication
University of California - San Diego
9500 Gilman Drive
La Jolla, California 92093-0506

New Website: www.jaylemke.com 

Professor (Adjunct status 2011-2012)
School of Education
University of Michigan
Ann Arbor, MI 48109

Professor Emeritus
City University of New York











On Jan 2, 2012, at 7:47 PM, mike cole wrote:

> Thanks Andy--
> 
> It would be really interesting to read jointly, but no idea in the world of
> how to accomplish that!!
> mike
> 
> On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:
> 
>> Yep.
>> 
>> http://www.marxists.org/**archive/lektorsky/subject-**object/index.htm<http://www.marxists.org/archive/lektorsky/subject-object/index.htm>
>> 
>> Andy
>> mike cole wrote:
>> 
>>> Great to have Lektorsky brought into this conversation. I wonder, is the
>>> book widely available in English? Did I miss a link somewhere?
>>> mike
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Haydi Zulfei <haydizulfei@rocketmail.com
>>>> **wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Overcoming the deep-thinking and worry of the problems of the Region ,
>>>> Dear Larry , I came to my study to read anew the once-read article sent
>>>> to
>>>> you and , happy to say , I'm exactly at the point you're stationing on
>>>> page
>>>> 22 . Yes , I accept the WHOLE of what V. A . Lektorsky says in this
>>>> article
>>>> and His "Subject,Object,Activity" , a book , indeed . Thank you , too ,
>>>> for
>>>> your insistence on finding a way for 'dialogues' .  Haydi   ( out Net
>>>> problems most of the time ! hope it works ! )
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ______________________________**__
>>>> From: Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com>
>>>> To: Haydi Zulfei <haydizulfei@rocketmail.com>; "eXtended Mind, Culture,
>>>> Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>>>> Cc: Robert Lake <boblake@georgiasouthern.edu>
>>>> Sent: Monday, 2 January 2012, 10:02:13
>>>> Subject: Re: [xmca] speaking of rocks and cathedrals
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Robert, I want to agree with you and acknowledge the poetic way Haydi
>>>> expressed these relations.
>>>> 
>>>> Haydi, I also am enjoying reading the article on Social Being and the
>>>> Human Essence. On page 22 Lektorsky says,
>>>> 
>>>> The self is seen as a system of relations, between myself and others.
>>>> Outside of this system of relations, I simply cannot exist. I am by my
>>>> nature a DIALOGICAL essence.... This approach gives rise to a whole range
>>>> of questions which simply did not exist for Descartes or Fichte (they
>>>> begin
>>>> to emerge with Hegel's Phenomenology of Spirit).  There is the problem of
>>>> my Being-for-others, Being-for-myself, and the Being-of-others-for-me....
>>>>    In my view, introspection should not be conceived as a relation of
>>>> someone to something purely INSIDE him - or herself, but as a SPECIAL WAY
>>>> of relating oneself to others. Introspection is really 'EXTRA-spection'.
>>>> A
>>>> human being ALWAYS lives on the BOUNDARY between self and other.
>>>> 
>>>> Haydi, do you accept the centraity of the QUESTIONS that Lektorsky is
>>>> posing as necessary themes to have conversations about???
>>>> 
>>>> I'm going back to reading the article.  The method of written
>>>> composition [the genre] in how David Bakhurst is presenting these themes
>>>> is
>>>> enjoyable as I love listening in on others conversations.
>>>> 
>>>> Haydi thanks for taking the steps into action to respond to my
>>>> reflections
>>>> that come from left-field.
>>>> 
>>>> Larry
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Haydi Zulfei <haydizulfei@rocketmail.com
>>>>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> You are so kind , Robert !!  At times , in my confusion , I don't know
>>>> how
>>>> to :-)  Encouraging !! Thanks a lot !! I did wish you a happy New Year ,
>>>> too .    Haydi
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ______________________________**__
>>>>> From: Robert Lake <boblake@georgiasouthern.edu>
>>>>> To: Haydi Zulfei <haydizulfei@rocketmail.com>; "eXtended Mind, Culture,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Sent: Monday, 2 January 2012, 7:47:41
>>>>> 
>>>>> Subject: Re: [xmca] speaking of rocks and cathedrals
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Wow Havdi!
>>>>> Have you written about this in greater detail anywhere?
>>>>> If so can you direct me? If not, you need to.
>>>>> Happy New Year!
>>>>> Robert Lake
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 6:04 AM, Haydi Zulfei <
>>>>> haydizulfei@rocketmail.com>
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> True Andy !
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I didn't continue : " The moment the floundering footstep of the IDEAL
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> touches the firm GROUND of the 'world of reality' , as to its nature ,
>>>> it
>>>> jumps once again in a space of a blink , yearning to unite anew with her
>>>> beloved consort fere , the ACTION , towards a re-start of another pulse
>>>> of
>>>> 'subjectivity' "
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> ______________________________**__
>>>>>> From: Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net>
>>>>>> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, 1 January 2012, 17:58:41
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [xmca] speaking of rocks and cathedrals
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Well, it becomes an ideal I guess.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> And on that I beg to differ with just one of Haydi's dot points.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Haydi said: "Ideal , when reified, is no longer ideal."
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I would have thought that when an ideal is reified, then it attains the
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> most stable of all possible forms of reification. That pile of rocks, if
>>>> exumed 2000 years later, may still exhibit the properties of a cathedral
>>>> if
>>>> the thought was put into action by Saint Exupery.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> For 2012, I guess I look forward to the deepening economic decline of
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> Europe and the US putting pressure on China to stimulate its domestic
>>>> market, and thereby lend more power to the rising tide of resistance
>>>> among
>>>> ordinary people demanding the rule of law in their country. And I would
>>>> dearly like to see Syria join Libya and build something worthwhile from
>>>> the
>>>> ashes of their previous efforts to shake off imperialist domination. And
>>>> it
>>>> would be good to see Iran join the Arab Spring too. And keep the US the
>>>> hell out of intervening in that country.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Andy
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> mike cole wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I want to join the voices for wishing all "present" the best of
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> fortune in
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> the new year. We now reach from Invertebrates to God in our modest
>>>>>>>         explorations of the processes of human development. :))
>>>>>>>         The following thought came to me in thinking about what
>>>>>>> ensues if one
>>>>>>>         accepts the invitation to imagine
>>>>>>>         what will happen in the next year -- what you hope for, what
>>>>>>> you fear,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> what
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> you could not expect and so
>>>>>>>         can't think about. It is from St. Exupery.
>>>>>>>         A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> contemplates
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> it, bearing within him the image of a cathedral.
>>>>>>>          Antoine de Saint-Exupery<
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://www.brainyquote.com/**quotes/quotes/a/**antoinedes161736.html<http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/antoinedes161736.html>
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Its an interesting thought, but "negative" in the sense that it tells
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> us
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> what a rock ceases to be but does not
>>>>>>>         specify what it has become "the moment it a single man
>>>>>>> contemplates
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> it."
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> It seems apt to the discussion.
>>>>>>>         An awful lot takes place in that moment!
>>>>>>>         Happy New Year,
>>>>>>>         mike
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------**------------------------------**
>>>> ------------
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> *Andy Blunden*
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Joint Editor MCA: http://www.tandfonline.com/**toc/hmca20/18/1<http://www.tandfonline.com/toc/hmca20/18/1>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Book: http://www.brill.nl/default.**aspx?partid=227&pid=34857<http://www.brill.nl/default.aspx?partid=227&pid=34857>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ______________________________**____________
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> _____
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> xmca mailing list
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca<http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca>
>>>>>> ______________________________**____________
>>>>>> _____
>>>>>> xmca mailing list
>>>>>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>>>>>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca<http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> 
>>>>> Robert Lake  Ed.D.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Assistant Professor
>>>>> Social
>>>>> Foundations of Education
>>>>> Dept. of Curriculum, Foundations, and
>>>>> Reading
>>>>> Georgia Southern University
>>>>> P. O. Box 8144
>>>>> Phone: (912)
>>>>> 478-5125
>>>>> Fax: (912) 478-5382
>>>>> Statesboro, GA  30460
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Democracy must be born anew in every generation, and
>>>>> education is its midwife.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -John Dewey.
>>>>> ______________________________**____________
>>>>> _____
>>>>> xmca mailing list
>>>>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>>>>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca<http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca>
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> ______________________________**____________
>>>> _____
>>>> xmca mailing list
>>>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>>>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca<http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> ______________________________**____________
>>> _____
>>> xmca mailing list
>>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca<http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> --
>> ------------------------------**------------------------------**
>> ------------
>> *Andy Blunden*
>> Joint Editor MCA: http://www.tandfonline.com/**toc/hmca20/18/1<http://www.tandfonline.com/toc/hmca20/18/1>
>> Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/
>> Book: http://www.brill.nl/default.**aspx?partid=227&pid=34857<http://www.brill.nl/default.aspx?partid=227&pid=34857>
>> 
>> 
> __________________________________________
> _____
> xmca mailing list
> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca
> 
> 

__________________________________________
_____
xmca mailing list
xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca