Re: [xmca] speaking of rocks and cathedrals

[mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>]

Great to have Lektorsky brought into this conversation. I wonder, is the
book widely available in English? Did I miss a link somewhere?
mike

On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Haydi Zulfei <haydizulfei@rocketmail.com>wrote:

> Overcoming the deep-thinking and worry of the problems of the Region ,
> Dear Larry , I came to my study to read anew the once-read article sent to
> you and , happy to say , I'm exactly at the point you're stationing on page
> 22 . Yes , I accept the WHOLE of what V. A . Lektorsky says in this article
> and His "Subject,Object,Activity" , a book , indeed . Thank you , too , for
> your insistence on finding a way for 'dialogues' .  Haydi   ( out Net
> problems most of the time ! hope it works ! )
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com>
> To: Haydi Zulfei <haydizulfei@rocketmail.com>; "eXtended Mind, Culture,
> Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> Cc: Robert Lake <boblake@georgiasouthern.edu>
> Sent: Monday, 2 January 2012, 10:02:13
> Subject: Re: [xmca] speaking of rocks and cathedrals
>
>
> Robert, I want to agree with you and acknowledge the poetic way Haydi
> expressed these relations.
>
> Haydi, I also am enjoying reading the article on Social Being and the
> Human Essence. On page 22 Lektorsky says,
>
> The self is seen as a system of relations, between myself and others.
> Outside of this system of relations, I simply cannot exist. I am by my
> nature a DIALOGICAL essence.... This approach gives rise to a whole range
> of questions which simply did not exist for Descartes or Fichte (they begin
> to emerge with Hegel's Phenomenology of Spirit).  There is the problem of
> my Being-for-others, Being-for-myself, and the Being-of-others-for-me....
>      In my view, introspection should not be conceived as a relation of
> someone to something purely INSIDE him - or herself, but as a SPECIAL WAY
> of relating oneself to others. Introspection is really 'EXTRA-spection'.  A
> human being ALWAYS lives on the BOUNDARY between self and other.
>
> Haydi, do you accept the centraity of the QUESTIONS that Lektorsky is
> posing as necessary themes to have conversations about???
>
> I'm going back to reading the article.  The method of written
> composition [the genre] in how David Bakhurst is presenting these themes is
> enjoyable as I love listening in on others conversations.
>
> Haydi thanks for taking the steps into action to respond to my reflections
> that come from left-field.
>
> Larry
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Haydi Zulfei <haydizulfei@rocketmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> You are so kind , Robert !!  At times , in my confusion , I don't know how
> to :-)  Encouraging !! Thanks a lot !! I did wish you a happy New Year ,
> too .    Haydi
> >
> >
> >
> >________________________________
> > From: Robert Lake <boblake@georgiasouthern.edu>
> >To: Haydi Zulfei <haydizulfei@rocketmail.com>; "eXtended Mind, Culture,
> Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> >Sent: Monday, 2 January 2012, 7:47:41
> >
> >Subject: Re: [xmca] speaking of rocks and cathedrals
> >
> >
> >Wow Havdi!
> >Have you written about this in greater detail anywhere?
> >If so can you direct me? If not, you need to.
> >Happy New Year!
> >Robert Lake
> >
> >
> >On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 6:04 AM, Haydi Zulfei <haydizulfei@rocketmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >True Andy !
> >>I didn't continue : " The moment the floundering footstep of the IDEAL
> touches the firm GROUND of the 'world of reality' , as to its nature , it
> jumps once again in a space of a blink , yearning to unite anew with her
> beloved consort fere , the ACTION , towards a re-start of another pulse of
> 'subjectivity' "
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>________________________________
> >> From: Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net>
> >>To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> >>Sent: Sunday, 1 January 2012, 17:58:41
> >>Subject: Re: [xmca] speaking of rocks and cathedrals
> >>
> >>
> >>Well, it becomes an ideal I guess.
> >>
> >>And on that I beg to differ with just one of Haydi's dot points.
> >>
> >>Haydi said: "Ideal , when reified, is no longer ideal."
> >>
> >>I would have thought that when an ideal is reified, then it attains the
> most stable of all possible forms of reification. That pile of rocks, if
> exumed 2000 years later, may still exhibit the properties of a cathedral if
> the thought was put into action by Saint Exupery.
> >>
> >>
> >>For 2012, I guess I look forward to the deepening economic decline of
> Europe and the US putting pressure on China to stimulate its domestic
> market, and thereby lend more power to the rising tide of resistance among
> ordinary people demanding the rule of law in their country. And I would
> dearly like to see Syria join Libya and build something worthwhile from the
> ashes of their previous efforts to shake off imperialist domination. And it
> would be good to see Iran join the Arab Spring too. And keep the US the
> hell out of intervening in that country.
> >>
> >>
> >>Andy
> >>
> >>mike cole wrote:
> >>
> >>> I want to join the voices for wishing all "present" the best of
> fortune in
> >>
> >>> the new year. We now reach from Invertebrates to God in our modest
> >>
> >>> explorations of the processes of human development. :))
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >>> The following thought came to me in thinking about what ensues if one
> >>
> >>> accepts the invitation to imagine
> >>
> >>> what will happen in the next year -- what you hope for, what you fear,
> what
> >>
> >>> you could not expect and so
> >>
> >>> can't think about. It is from St. Exupery.
> >>
> >>> A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man
> contemplates
> >>
> >>> it, bearing within him the image of a cathedral.
> >>
> >>>  Antoine de Saint-Exupery<
> http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/antoinedes161736.html>
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >>> Its an interesting thought, but "negative" in the sense that it tells
> us
> >>
> >>> what a rock ceases to be but does not
> >>
> >>> specify what it has become "the moment it a single man contemplates
> it."
> >>
> >>> It seems apt to the discussion.
> >>
> >>> An awful lot takes place in that moment!
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >>> Happy New Year,
> >>
> >>> mike
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>--
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >>*Andy Blunden*
> >>
> >>Joint Editor MCA: http://www.tandfonline.com/toc/hmca20/18/1
> >>
> >>Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/
> >>
> >>Book: http://www.brill.nl/default.aspx?partid=227&pid=34857
> >>
> >>
> >>__________________________________________
> >>
> >>_____
> >>
> >>xmca mailing list
> >>
> >>xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> >>
> >>http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca
> >>__________________________________________
> >>_____
> >>xmca mailing list
> >>xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> >>http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca
> >>
> >
> >
> >--
> >
> >Robert Lake  Ed.D.
> >
> >Assistant Professor
> >Social
> >Foundations of Education
> >Dept. of Curriculum, Foundations, and
> >Reading
> >Georgia Southern University
> >P. O. Box 8144
> >Phone: (912)
> >478-5125
> >Fax: (912) 478-5382
> >Statesboro, GA  30460
> >
> >
> > Democracy must be born anew in every generation, and
> >education is its midwife.
> >
> >-John Dewey.
> >__________________________________________
> >_____
> >xmca mailing list
> >xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> >http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca
> >
> __________________________________________
> _____
> xmca mailing list
> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca
>
__________________________________________
_____
xmca mailing list
xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca