Re: [xmca] speaking of rocks and cathedrals

[Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com>]

Robert, I want to agree with you and acknowledge the poetic way Haydi
expressed these relations.

Haydi, I also am enjoying reading the article on Social Being and the Human
Essence. On page 22 Lektorsky says,

The self is seen as a system of relations, between myself and others.
Outside of this system of relations, I simply cannot exist. I am by my
nature a DIALOGICAL essence.... This approach gives rise to a whole range
of questions which simply did not exist for Descartes or Fichte (they begin
to emerge with Hegel's Phenomenology of Spirit).  There is the problem of
my Being-for-others, Being-for-myself, and the Being-of-others-for-me....
     In my view, introspection should not be conceived as a relation of
someone to something purely INSIDE him - or herself, but as a SPECIAL WAY
of relating oneself to others. Introspection is really 'EXTRA-spection'.  A
human being ALWAYS lives on the BOUNDARY between self and other.

Haydi, do you accept the centraity of the QUESTIONS that Lektorsky is
posing as necessary themes to have conversations about???

I'm going back to reading the article.  The method of written
composition [the genre] in how David Bakhurst is presenting these themes is
enjoyable as I love listening in on others conversations.

Haydi thanks for taking the steps into action to respond to my reflections
that come from left-field.

Larry




On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Haydi Zulfei <haydizulfei@rocketmail.com>wrote:

> You are so kind , Robert !!  At times , in my confusion , I don't know how
> to :-)  Encouraging !! Thanks a lot !! I did wish you a happy New Year ,
> too .    Haydi
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: Robert Lake <boblake@georgiasouthern.edu>
> To: Haydi Zulfei <haydizulfei@rocketmail.com>; "eXtended Mind, Culture,
> Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> Sent: Monday, 2 January 2012, 7:47:41
>  Subject: Re: [xmca] speaking of rocks and cathedrals
>
>
> Wow Havdi!
> Have you written about this in greater detail anywhere?
> If so can you direct me? If not, you need to.
> Happy New Year!
> Robert Lake
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 6:04 AM, Haydi Zulfei <haydizulfei@rocketmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> True Andy !
> >I didn't continue : " The moment the floundering footstep of the IDEAL
> touches the firm GROUND of the 'world of reality' , as to its nature , it
> jumps once again in a space of a blink , yearning to unite anew with her
> beloved consort fere , the ACTION , towards a re-start of another pulse of
> 'subjectivity' "
> >
> >
> >
> >________________________________
> > From: Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net>
> >To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> >Sent: Sunday, 1 January 2012, 17:58:41
> >Subject: Re: [xmca] speaking of rocks and cathedrals
> >
> >
> >Well, it becomes an ideal I guess.
> >
> >And on that I beg to differ with just one of Haydi's dot points.
> >
> >Haydi said: "Ideal , when reified, is no longer ideal."
> >
> >I would have thought that when an ideal is reified, then it attains the
> most stable of all possible forms of reification. That pile of rocks, if
> exumed 2000 years later, may still exhibit the properties of a cathedral if
> the thought was put into action by Saint Exupery.
> >
> >
> >For 2012, I guess I look forward to the deepening economic decline of
> Europe and the US putting pressure on China to stimulate its domestic
> market, and thereby lend more power to the rising tide of resistance among
> ordinary people demanding the rule of law in their country. And I would
> dearly like to see Syria join Libya and build something worthwhile from the
> ashes of their previous efforts to shake off imperialist domination. And it
> would be good to see Iran join the Arab Spring too. And keep the US the
> hell out of intervening in that country.
> >
> >
> >Andy
> >
> >mike cole wrote:
> >
> >> I want to join the voices for wishing all "present" the best of fortune
> in
> >
> >> the new year. We now reach from Invertebrates to God in our modest
> >
> >> explorations of the processes of human development. :))
> >
> >>
> >
> >> The following thought came to me in thinking about what ensues if one
> >
> >> accepts the invitation to imagine
> >
> >> what will happen in the next year -- what you hope for, what you fear,
> what
> >
> >> you could not expect and so
> >
> >> can't think about. It is from St. Exupery.
> >
> >> A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man
> contemplates
> >
> >> it, bearing within him the image of a cathedral.
> >
> >>  Antoine de Saint-Exupery<
> http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/antoinedes161736.html>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Its an interesting thought, but "negative" in the sense that it tells us
> >
> >> what a rock ceases to be but does not
> >
> >> specify what it has become "the moment it a single man contemplates it."
> >
> >> It seems apt to the discussion.
> >
> >> An awful lot takes place in that moment!
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Happy New Year,
> >
> >> mike
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >
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> >
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