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Re: [xmca] Zhozephina Shif – something in English?

Mike, what was the main reason they distanced themselves from Leontiev? What
was the main cause of this fear? Or can you please propose an article which
handles the development of differences between Leontiev and Luria after
Vygotsky's death please?
Thanks
Ulvi


2010/1/16, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>:
>
> Perhaps we can get the shif book translated if it is interesting. Does it
> exist in Russian, Anton?
>
> I disagree with only one part of what you say about "cultural-historical"
> school never existing. In the period from about 1956 following Stalin's
> death, to the death of Luria and Leontiev, there was an identifiable group
> of people who met together, talked together, shared certain ideas and
> values. They were also quite influential as heads of some departments and
> institutes. They did not all agree with each other (Achille's evocation of
> family strikes me as about right) and Leontiev was both feared and
> distanced
> from the others, but they maintained a kind of uneasy alliance. Here I
> would
> include
> Luria, Zaporzhets, Elkonin, Slavina, Morozova, and perhaps a few others.
>
> It is a great irony that NOW there is a journal of cultural-historical
> psychology in Russia. But perhaps, not a bad thing.
> mike (socio-cultural-historical activity scholar) :-))
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Achilles Delari Junior <
> achilles_delari@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > I really understand... Maybe we can say that Vygotsky himself was notever
> > following his own "project"... In some documents (letters) he expresshis
> > desire to dedicate to an species of "cause", the "reconstruction of
> > allpsychological science, building an unified approach, but I really feel
> > that therewas no "tradition" stricto sensu, nor no "vigotskian school" in
> a
> > very definitefashion... Even more to read Vygotsky is hard exegetical
> task,
> > his all workseems to be a kind of complex million pieces puzzle, at least
> > for us non Russianreaders... I dont know... But when everybody lies, we
> need
> > to think aboutmethodological tools to define if there is a possible
> > differentiation betweenlies and truth, or we can be satisfied with the
> > impossibility of any truth inany social discourse... In capitalists
> liberal
> > regimes, people can tell some liesin order to satisfy editorial needs and
> > market demands too... financial researchfounds to their(our) projects,
> and
> > so on. Then, nobody is without guilt... inthis great social game for
> > personal success in unequal power relationships, between nations, between
> > institutions, between groups, persons, or evenbetween brothers at the
> same
> > home...
> > :-(
> > Best wishes.
> >
> > > Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:35:51 -0800
> > > From: the_yasya@yahoo.com
> > > Subject: Re: [xmca] Zhozephina Shif – something in English?
> > > To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> > >
> > > Same thing. No answer. Special research needed. Everybody lies. From
> > 1930s -- onwards.
> > >
> > > Also, note: "Cultural-historical tradition" sensu Vygotsky never
> existed.
> > And hardly exists today.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > From: Achilles Delari Junior <achilles_delari@hotmail.com>
> > > To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> > > Sent: Fri, January 15, 2010 12:59:24 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [xmca] Zhozephina Shif – something in English?
> > >
> > >
> > > Anton,
> > > This sounds much better! :-)Thank you very much. And about this
> > title?Психология глухих. (Под ред. И.М. Соловьева, Ж.И. Шиф, Т.В.
> Розановой
> > и Н.В. Яшковой), М., 1971.Not already from the 1930s... What you
> recommends?
> > I found an recent Russian publication from 2006,{
> > http://bookseller.ru/book.php?n=1454} but I did not feel secure to order
> > in my blind condition tounderstand the book importance or relation to
> > historical-cultural tradition...
> > > Thank you.
> > > > Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:48:14 -0800
> > > > From: the_yasya@yahoo.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [xmca] Zhozephina Shif – something in English?
> > > > To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> > > >
> > > > RE: Its important to know that it is not near to Vygotsky's trends.
> --
> > > >
> > > > I never said so. I guess I meant to state that the connection is not
> > obvious and requires substantial textual analysis. Especially so, given
> the
> > deliberately cryptic style of writing in Soviet Psychology from the 1930s
> > onwards...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > > From: Achilles Delari Junior <achilles_delari@hotmail.com>
> > > > To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> > > > Sent: Fri, January 15, 2010 12:12:00 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [xmca] Zhozephina Shif – something in English?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I understand.Thank you very much.I saw that there is something from
> her
> > about deaf psychology, for instance, etc.Its important to know that it is
> > not near to Vygotsky's trends.
> > > > Best.
> > > >
> > > > > Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:10:21 -0800
> > > > > From: the_yasya@yahoo.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [xmca] Zhozephina Shif – something in English?
> > > > > To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> > > > >
> > > > > I personally strongly doubt any translation of this book ever
> > existed.
> > > > >
> > > > > Good luck anyway!
> > > > >
> > > > > -- However, there is other stuff by Shif available in English, but
> it
> > is hardly related to her Leningrad work and represent her later Moscow
> work
> > in defectology...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > > > From: Achilles Delari Junior <achilles_delari@hotmail.com>
> > > > > To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> > > > > Sent: Fri, January 15, 2010 2:37:26 AM
> > > > > Subject: [xmca] Zhozephina Shif – something in English?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi XMCA
> > > > > people…
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In order to
> > > > > help another friend of mine, biologist, studying scientific
> concepts
> > > > > development, I’m wonder if you have any notice about English
> > (Spanish, French,
> > > > > etc.) publication from the following text:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Shif, J. I. “Razvitie nauchnykh ponyatii u schko’nika:
> > > > > Issledovanie k voprosu umstvenogo razvitiya shkol’nika pri
> obuchenii
> > > > > obshchestvovedeniyu” [The development of scientific concepts in the
> > school
> > > > > child: The investigation of intellectual development of the school
> > child in
> > > > > social science instruction]. Moscow – Leningrad: Gosudarstvennoe
> > > > > Uchebno-Pedagicheskoe Izdatel’stvo. 1935.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I’m trying
> > > > > the Russian high now, but we are not so prepared to actually
> > translate Russian so
> > > > > soon, without a huge time spending… And there are many other
> Russian
> > needs
> > > > > prior at the schedule, most of that already provide thanks you all.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > If you have any notice... :-)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you
> > > > > very much. Good 2010 for all.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Best
> > > > > wishes.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Achilles.
> > > > >
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