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Re: [xmca] Educational neuroscience

I stand corrected, Mike. But he began, didn't he, noting the observable, unintended motor responses to meaning-laden words, and then his methods built from there, and 30 years later he was using EEGs. I see this as a genesis which has its foundations in behaviour. So if the "combined motor method" is taken as a unit of analysis, then it is the *simplest instance* which manifests the essentials of the whole.


mike cole wrote:


Luria used, in his work on combined motor method, the most sophisticated equipment available to him, a kymograph (See below). In his work on semantic reflexes in the post WW2 era, he used galvanic skin response. In his autobio (as I recall, have not checked recently) he explicitly sought with this method to go beyond "the normal "talk" favoured by psychologists" (Freud and Jung). Later he used eeg.

Sure there is incredible reductionist bs out there. Nothing new. The challenge is to get usefully
beyond it, which ARL was not bad at.


(complements of wikipedia)

A *kymograph* (which means 'wave writer') is a device that gives a graphical representation of spatial position over time in which a spatial axis represents time. It basically consists of a revolving drum wrapped with a sheet of paper on which a stylus <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stylus> moves back and forth recording perceived changes of phenomena such as motion or pressure.^[1] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kymograph#cite_note-1>

It was invented by German physiologist <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physiologist> Carl Ludwig <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Ludwig> in the 1840s and found its first use as a means to intrusively monitor blood pressure <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_pressure>, and has found several applications in the field of medicine.^[2] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kymograph#cite_note-2> Its primary use was to measure phenomena such as changes in muscular contractions or other physiological processes, including speech sounds. Kymographs were also used to measure atmospheric pressure, tuning fork vibrations, and the functioning of steam engines.

On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 3:30 AM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>> wrote:

    The point is, Haydi, that in this 1932 work of Luria's (prior to
    his work with brain damaged war veterans) all his experiments were
    based on observation of behaviour, and the subject's psychological
    system was reconstructed in theory on the basis of observations of
    these "disruptions" of their behaviour, whch did not include
    striking them on the head with rocks, but just the normal "talk"
    favoured by psychologists.

    BTW, "paramedicals" is a word which describes physiotherapists,
    nurses, dieticians, speech therapists, and so on, who are not
    regarded as "real doctors". Different from "paranormal."

    Haydi Zulfei wrote:

        Andy ! To what you've explicated , I'd like to add paragraphs
        from the 'first book' again ; one could find relationships
        especially when we read the details Luria give us in each case
        but one big question remains : the difference between a method
        of paramedicals (religious , Buddhistic , intervention of high
        spirits as described by Vygotsky when discussing James-Lange
        Theory , etc.) and a method of scientific procurement as well
        as piercing into the gaps which are being gradually filled by
        a process of Scientific Development :

*Andy Blunden*
Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/
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