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Re: [xmca] Re: Luria - New Vodka Old Bottle PDF
If you Google [vimeo Luria Cole Bruner ]
The first item that appears is the vimeo video.
I am fascinated by the concept of *synesthesia *
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Greg Thompson <firstname.lastname@example.org>wrote:
> And not to the Luria book yet, but here is a nice quote from Luria I just
> came across while working on another paper:
> "We should not look for the explanation of behavior in the depths of the
> brain or the soul but in th eexternal living conditions of persons and most
> of all in the external conditions of their societal life, in their
> social-historical forms of existence." (Luria 1979, p. 23).
> Wise words from the founder of neuroscience.
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 8:00 PM, Andy Blunden <email@example.com> wrote:
> > And this is one of the principles of "Romantic Science." I'll dig up the
> > quote from Goethe, but he was insistent, as I recall, that science
> > to be opened up so that it could be practised by anyone without the use
> > either expensive equipment of elaborate mathematical apparatus, so that
> > science could become an integral part of general social practice, rather
> > than the esoteric knowledge of an elite (which is precisely what
> > neuroscience has become!).
> > Andy
> > mike cole wrote:
> >> It can be used by anyone with enough knowledge of the sources of the
> >> equinamity to be selective in the appropriate way.
> >> Mike
> >> On Thursday, July 25, 2013, Andy Blunden wrote:
> >> Well, I was hoping for a little more discussion about the
> >> "combined motor method" and "method of dual stimulation" as
> >> *models* and/or *units of analysis*, but those are my personal
> >> topics of interest. Also of interest to me is that this guy,
> >> Luria, the founder of modern neuropsychology did not investigate
> >> the brain by poking electrodes into the gray matter or using
> >> imaging machines, but directly by means available to the human
> >> senses investigated action, the unity of thinking and behaviour,
> >> by, as you say Mike, disrupting that unity, using again, methods
> >> perfectly accessible to ordinary understanding and perception.
> >> This is in line, for me, with his warning that "least of all does
> >> he attempt to deduce the laws of hiugher activity from simple
> >> neurodynamical processes." No, he had to intervene in behaviour
> >> and observe the results. The idea of temporarily disrupting a
> >> person's equanimity and control over their behaviour, so as to
> >> cause them to unwittingly betray what is on their mind is
> >> something which can be of use to anyone, even those without
> >> expensive electronic equipment or even old brass instruments.
> >> Andy
> >> mike cole wrote:
> >> I am away from home and this next week will not be a good time
> >> for serious
> >> responses.
> >> I clearly have lots of views on inter-disciplines and history
> >> of the
> >> development of those we have. Its GREAT having Charles B back
> >> in the
> >> discussion after a long vacation and to great effect.
> >> BUT
> >> I think the Luria book is interesting and darned if most
> >> xmca-ites did not
> >> jump straight on the need for CHAT folks (at least!) to focus
> >> on that
> >> general issue and ignore the luria book and its key ideas!
> >> Like DARN!
> >> The combined motor method, subject to abuse like all of
> >> science, is to me
> >> a brilliant way to delve into the problem of knowing other
> >> minds and it is
> >> not irrelevant that Freud and Jung were up there on ARL's
> >> reading list
> >> a century ago.,.. and address in the book! It was
> >> psychiatrists who were
> >> central to getting it published (look at a copy). It has been
> >> re-invented
> >> many times during my professional career with zero recognition
> >> of the
> >> principle involved: the selective discoordination of voluntary
> >> behavior.
> >> The idea of functional barrier?
> >> The treatment of quasi-motives and Lewin? (and were'nt we
> >> interested in
> >> Lewin once of twice within living memory "here""?).
> >> Mike-gone-fishing
> >> PS- For one example of a way to bring social sciences,
> >> philosophy, history,
> >> the anthropology, sociology, etc together check out the
> >> curriculum at
> >> communication.ucsd.edu <http://communication.ucsd.edu**>. Now
> >> who would of thought up something like
> >> that?? :-)
> >> science as practiced by not-only-Ed these days
> >> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Larry Purss
> >> <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> >> Charles, Greg
> >> Thank you for this emerging topic and theme of
> >> interdisciplinary
> >> possibilities.
> >> Charles, has there been an *historical effect* of your
> >> writing this article
> >> on the journal *Psychiatry*.
> >> The emergence of *family systems therapy* was strongly
> >> influenced by the
> >> William Alanson White institute [for example Salvador
> >> Minuchin studied
> >> there.
> >> Psychoanalysis is also impacted through *interpersonal
> >> psychiatry* in its
> >> relational turn.
> >> A central motif emerging within this tradition is the
> >> understanding of
> >> *anxiety* [as POSSIBLE or anticipated stress].
> >> A central question becomes, "How do I [or we] make
> >> ourselves safe?"
> >> How central is this question concerning *anxiety* as a
> >> factor that
> >> motivates actions? I often ask this question when
> >> exploring communicative
> >> praxis or pragmatic understandings. Many of the examples
> >> in the 12 issues
> >> of the journal explored are exploring the possibility of
> >> [or avoidance of]
> >> perceived anxiety.
> >> Fascinating topic.
> >> Thanks,
> >> Larry
> >> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Charles Bazerman <
> >> email@example.com> wrote:
> >> Thanks for the Group Processes reference. I will have
> >> to wait until
> >> after
> >> travels this summer to get a hard copy, as the ecopy
> >> seems to be locked
> >> down.
> >> Peirce, I agree makes an important move by recognizing
> >> the importance of
> >> interpretation, but despite looking at his works a
> >> number of times on the
> >> recommendation of people I trust, I find he does not
> >> get us far enough.
> >> This is what I have to say about him in my soon to be
> >> released volume A
> >> Theory of Literate Action.
> >> best,
> >> Chuck
> >> Peirce's semiotics with interpretation
> >> Charles Peirce, among the founding generation
> >> of pragmatists,
> >> looked most directly at language and semiotics, making
> >> some first steps
> >> towards articulating the implications of a pragmatist
> >> view for language
> >> and
> >> language use. Most importantly, he recognized a major
> >> role for the
> >> interpreting speaker and interpreting hearer in the
> >> meanings conveyed by
> >> communication, rather than assuming meaning was
> >> immanent in an abstracted
> >> language system (Peirce, 1958). It is people who
> >> attach meanings to
> >> experienced worlds and issues of concern. This
> >> recognition of the
> >> importance of interpretive processes might lead to an
> >> investigation of
> >> how
> >> differences in individuals and groups of individuals
> >> might influence the
> > --
> > ------------------------------**------------------------------**
> > ------------
> > *Andy Blunden*
> > Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/
> > Book: http://www.brill.nl/concepts
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