Re: RES: [xmca] Perezhivanie and Dewey's concept of experience

[Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com>]

Mike, Andy, Martin

Mike has summarized the thread to this point in the conversation with the
comment:

 I was also delighted to see the connection to Dilthey. To me
he stands for the "understanding" side of Wundt's duality between
volkpsychology and experimental psychology. Two sides of the crisis.
Add it to your list of quotations about perezhivanie, Andy, and lets link
it somehow to xmca.

Mike, as we link up Dilthey, Dewey, and Vygotsky we seem to be linking up
*lived experience* which emphasizes the SUBJECTIVE emotional, visceral
significance of lived experience.

Another central concept is the understanding of *recollection* when the
impact of the situation on the person summons up the entire lived
experience of development.

Does Aristotle's notion of *phronesis* as the relationship BETWEEN
*character* and *application* also offer another source for linking to
perezhivanie?? My reason for asking is that Gadamer has *recollected* lived
experience as *flourishing* by returning to Aristotle. Aristotle also was
exploring notions of the *moral good* and I want to link this to page 3 of
Andy's notes on perezhivanie. On page 3 Vygotsky uses the metaphor of
*prism* and *refraction* on the environments role and influence on the
course of development. Vygotsky is suggesting the discipline of pedology as
a genre OUGHT to always be capable of finding the particular *prism*
THROUGH WHICH the influence of the environment of the environment on the
child is REFRACTED. In Vygotsky's own words pedology:

"OUGHT to be able to find the relationship which exists between the child
and its environment, the child's emotional experience [perezhivanie], in
other words how a child BECOMES AWARE of, INTERPRETS, [and] EMOTIONALLY
RELATES to a certain event. This is such a prism which DETERMINES the role
and influence of the environment on the development of, say, the child's
CHARACTER, his psychological development, etc.

Andy the way you chose to present the multiple shades of meaning of
perezhivanie [TRANSlated as "lived experience"] through gathering together
multiple authors each presenting their particular understanding of "lived
experience" I found helpful in offering a deepening clarity of
perezhivanie. In conjunction with Dewey's understanding of aesthetic
experience as a deepening *intensification* of lived experience and
Dilthey's exploration of lived experience as *undergoing*, possible new
linkings or avenues of conversation open up.

Fascinating thread which brings to center stage questions of subjectivity,
intra-subjectivity, inter-subjectivity, trans-subjectivity and how these
various understandings of subjectivity [and character development] link to
perezhivanie. I appreciate how XMCA is contributing to my personal
development.

Larry










On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 6:25 PM, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:

> I expect Ivo just sat that dangling issue there on purpose and I was also
> delighted to see the connection to Dilthey.  To me
> he stands for the "understanding" side of Wundt's duality between
> volkpsychology and experimental psychology. Two sides of the crisis.
>
> Add it to your list of quotations about perezhivanie, Andy, and lets link
> it somehow to xmca.
>
> mike
>
> On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:
>
> > Marvellous quote, Martin. None of these issues were discovered yesterday,
> > it seems.
> > I had forgotten that a couple of years ago I made up a collection of
> > quotes from various writers on "Perezhivanie" here:
> > http://www.ethicalpolitics.**org/seminars/perezhivanie.htm<
> http://www.ethicalpolitics.org/seminars/perezhivanie.htm>
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
> > Martin Packer wrote:
> >
> >> On Feb 19, 2013, at 7:13 PM, Ivo Banaco <ibanaco@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Sorry, I've just realized I've mistaken Dewey with Dilthey, I wonder
> >>>> why...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >> Perhaps because all of this was in Dilthey too.
> >>
> >> Dilthey (1833–1911) considered human experience (erlebnis, usually
> >> translated 'lived experience') to be concrete and historical, always
> shaped
> >> by the context of the past and by the horizon of the future, and he
> argued
> >> that lived experience is the basis for all understanding. Lived
> experience
> >> is a direct, immediate, pre-reflective contact with life, an act of
> >> perceiving in which the person is unified with the object of their
> >> understanding. It is made up not of static cognitive categories but of
> >> meaningful unities which are prior to the separation between emotion,
> >> willing,  with knowing. Lived experience contains within it the
> temporality
> >> of living, and of life itself.
> >> “That which in the stream of time forms a unity in the present because
> it
> >> has a unitary meaning is the smallest entity which we can designate as
> an
> >> experience” (Dilthey, Collected Works 7, 194)
> >>
> >> “The experience does not stand like an object over against its
> >> experiencer, but rather its very existence for me is undifferentiated
> from
> >> the whatness which is present for me in it” (Collected Works 7, 139)
> >>
> >> Martin
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
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