Re: RES: [xmca] Perezhivanie and Dewey's concept of experience

[Ivo Banaco <ibanaco@gmail.com>]

Sorry, I've just realized I've mistaken Dewey with Dilthey, I wonder why...

Here it is one more quote of Gendlin citing en passant Dewey from his
"Experience
and Nature. LaSalle, Illinois, Open Court Publishing Co., 1925"


"What is the nature of a concept?



All our meanings, all our thinking, really occur as we pay attention to the
"feel" of meaning, as *Dewey* termed it. Concepts are felt meanings in
interaction with verbal symbols!



For example, you have been listening to a conversation and now you are
about to say something. You "know" what you want to say . . . yet most
likely you have not worked it out in words. Only if you are very tense
about the others in the room are you likely to try the sentences out in
your mind before you say them aloud. In the normal case, all day whenever
you are about to say something, you "know" what you want to say . . . you
"know" it in a bodily felt sense. When you open your mouth the words come
and you say what you wanted to say. We cannot speak meaningfully without
this directly felt sense of our meaning. If we miss this directly felt
sense, we have to apologize and say: "I forgot what I was going to say—just
a moment." We then search for the "feel" of the meaning until we "find" it.
Where do we search for such a forgotten feel of "what I was going to say?"
We search for it by referring directly to felt experiencing, inwardly.



Notice that we usually have not, as yet, put what we want to say into
words. If we lose track of it, we search for it: We search for a felt
meaning which never had words. When we find it, we exclaim "Oh, now I know
what it was," and again, as we find it, it is still not words. Only as we
speak do we explicate it in words.



Concepts are relationships between felt meanings and linguistic symbols.
The linguistic symbols are really only noises or sound images of
noises—except in so far as they relate to felt meanings. Only as we have
the felt meaning, do we have the meaning of a concept. Only with the felt
meanings of concepts do we think."

On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:

> Dewey, J. (1929) “Experience and Philosophic Method,” The Philosophy of
> John Dewey, Two Volumes in One,” , ed. John J. McDermott, (1973) Chicago
> IL: University of Chicago Press. pp. 249-277, cited in Blunden, A. (2012)
> "Concepts. A Critical Approach," Brill, Netherlands.
>
>
> Andy
>
> Joao Martins wrote:
>
>> Andy, what is the reference?
>>
>> Joao
>> -----Mensagem original-----
>> De: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.**ucsd.edu<xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu>]
>> Em nome
>> de Andy Blunden
>> Enviada em: terça-feira, 19 de fevereiro de 2013 12:23
>> Para: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>> Assunto: Re: [xmca] Perezhivanie and Dewey's concept of experience
>>
>> What about this one Larry?
>>
>>         ‘Experience’ is what James called a double-barreled word. Like
>>         its congeners, life and history, it includes /what/ men do and
>>         suffer, /what/ they strive for, love, believe and endure, and
>>         /how/ men act and are acted upon, the ways in which they do and
>>         suffer, desire and enjoy, see, believe, imagine – in short,
>>         processes of /experiencing/. ... It is ‘double-barreled’ in that
>>         it recognizes in its primary integrity no division between act
>>         and material, subject and object, but contains them both in an
>>         unanalyzed totality. ‘Thing’ and ‘thought’, as James says in the
>>         same connection, are single-barreled; they refer to products
>>         discriminated by reflection out of primary experience (1929 PJD:
>>         256-7).
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> Larry Purss wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Mike,
>>>
>>> On page 12 of the  article on Dewey's notionotion of experience the
>>> theme of experience AS "life overcomes and transforms factors of opposition
>>> to achieve higher significance. Harmony and equilibrium are the resullts
>>> not of mechanical processes but of RHYTHMIC resolution of tension.  The
>>> rhythmic ALTERNATION within the live creature BETWEEN unity and disunity
>>> becomes CONSCIOUS in humans.  Emotion signifies BREAKS in experience which
>>> are then resolved through reflective action"
>>>
>>> I thought this may be a way in to *start* the conversational dialogue
>>>  with perezhivanie.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Michael, Mike:
>>>> One more fragment on the  definition of sentipensante:
>>>>
>>>> Sentipensante pedagogy offers a transformative vision of education that
>>>> emphasizes the harmonic, complementary relationship between the sentir of
>>>> intuition and the pensar of intellect and scholarship; between teaching and
>>>> learning; between formal knowledge and wisdom; and between Western and
>>>> non-Western ways of knowing.
>>>>
>>>> Seems to have some family resemblance to this theme of experience Larry
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 5:37 PM, Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Mike,
>>>>> Thanks for this.
>>>>> Stanford Pub is a wonderful resource.  I seem to download an author
>>>>> approximately once a month. For $10 you support them and get the articles
>>>>> sent in a PDF format.
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael , here is a link [in Spanish] to a youtube video of Orlando
>>>>> Fals-Borda discussing his understanding of experience from the heart.
>>>>> If you have any articles in English which you can share, this seems to
>>>>> be exploring experience within "felt awareness".
>>>>> Seems to be a fascinating expansion of the understanding of experience.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Michael and Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> Larry
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=LbJWqetRuMo<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbJWqetRuMo>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 3:46 PM, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Larry. Viva la differencia. Here is a quick summary of Dewey
>>>>>> on experience. Note that his ideas are considered unusual by the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> author.
>>
>>
>>> That
>>>>>> Stanford pub seems very useful.
>>>>>> mike
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://plato.stanford.edu/**entries/dewey-aesthetics/#**HavExp<http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/dewey-aesthetics/#HavExp>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael,
>>>>>>> I also found this site for Orlando Fals Borda.
>>>>>>> http://comm-org.wisc.edu/si/**falsborda.htm<http://comm-org.wisc.edu/si/falsborda.htm>
>>>>>>> If it is off topic please ignore. However, it is where my curiosity
>>>>>>> was called or invited.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Larry
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Glassman, Michael <
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> glassman.13@osu.edu
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>             Perhaps another avenue to explore might be Ortega y
>>>>>>>> Gasset's ideas on experience (which is probably in some ways reflective of
>>>>>>>> Dewey)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> which was
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> appropriated by Orlando Fals Borda in the concept of vivencia -
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> which is
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> very compelling - and became an important part of Fals-Borda's
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> conception
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> of Participatory Action Research.  This might then tie back to the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> earlier
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> issue on PAR.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>>> ______________________________**__________
>>>>>>>> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] on
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> behalf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> of mike cole [lchcmike@gmail.com]
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 2:28 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Beth Ferholt
>>>>>>>> Cc: Galina Zuckerman; John Shotter; Boris Meshcheryakov; eXtended
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mind,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Culture, Activity; James Wertsch; Alexander Asmolov
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [xmca] Perezhivanie and Dewey's concept of experience
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks Beth--
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I ask, firstly, because there appear quite clear overlaps as you and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Monica
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> have been exploring.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Secondly, we have two submissions to MCA on perezhivanie that are
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> focused on Russian authors. Over and above competing exegeses of the
>>>>>>>> ideas of Vygotsky, Puyzerei, etc., it seems important
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> we figure out ways to explore different ways of thinking about the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> general
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> category of "experience" that will be productive of new empirical
>>>>>>>> and theoretical investigation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> mike
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Beth Ferholt <bferholt@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Monica and I have just started using the two concepts in
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> conjunction,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> we write about the relation between play and learning and Dewey's
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ideas
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the relation between art and science in Art and Experience.  I am
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> interested in any ref. you find as I have found none yet. Can I
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ask why
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ask now? Beth
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 6:09 PM, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Has anyone written on uses of the term perezhivanie as used in the
>>>>>>>>>> cultural historical tradition and Dewey's concept of experience?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> references?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> mike
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