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Re: [xmca] Hallucinating Romantic Science
Yes, I think you'd like Shweder's piece that Mike refers to (while slightly
misquoting the title - it begins "Anthropology's Romantic Rebellion Against
the Enlightenment..." and can be found in a 1984 book Culture Theory:
Essays on Mind, Self, and Emotion - sorry I have the book but no pdf).
There Shweder makes reference to a Romantic lineage of Anthropology (not
clear that it is Shweder's). Here is the passage, something of a repeat of
some earlier posts about RS:
"On the other side of the dispute over rationality stand the spokesmen of
the "romantic" rebellion against the enlightenment: Goethe, Schiller,
Schleiermacker; before them, the Sophists, Hume and Leibnitz; after them,
Levy-Bruhl, the later Wittgenstein, Whorf, Kuhn, Schneider, Sahlins,
Feyerabend, and Geertz. A central tenet of the romanticist view holds that
ideas and practices have their foundation in neither logic nor empirical
science, that ideas and practices fall beyond the scope of deductive and
inductive reason, that ideas and practices are neither rational nor
irrational but rather nonrational" (p. 28).
And as to linking to and denying ancestors, some might call Freud into the
conversation - something about the ambivalences of Oedipal desires. But
that would be silly.*
-greg
*To help you complete the circle here, I should note that my dissertation
chair was a Freudian psychoanalyst!
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 6:01 PM, Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Greg
>
> Martin's "Introduction" is the 1st chapter in his edited book with Mark
> Tappen which was published in 2001.The book is titled "Cultural and
> Critical Perspectives on Human Development". On page 6 of the introductory
> chapter Martin references Shweder's ancestral lineage.
>
> Martin cites his source on the roots of Shweder's ancestral lineage as
> referenced from Shweder's 1991 book "Thinking Through Cultures: Expeditions
> in Cultural Psychology" [page 40 and page 72].
>
> Greg, the notion of resisting classification while at the same time
> acknowleging the notion of developing within an ancestral lineage may be
> different ways of exploring similar questions.
> I was intrigued by Mike's answer that Shweder was answering questions
> developed in response to the Enlightenment which opens up further questions
> exploring the living conversations which proceeded among our ancestors.
> Greg, your additional commentary on the resistance to being classified, but
> at the same time wanting to honour and acknowledge our ancestors, is
> another one of those contradictions [ambivalences??] which I find
> fascinating.
>
> Larry
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Greg Thompson <greg.a.thompson@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Larry,
> > Where is the introduction where Martin locates Shweder's roots?
> >
> > Also, I would say that Shweder is a Romantic in the German Romantic sense
> > (and no, that's not an oxymoron!), but not necessarily in the same line
> as
> > Luria.
> >
> > So, as with most slippery academics, expect conflicting reports about his
> > status (and as with many academics, imho, he actively seeks to escape
> > classification).
> >
> > -greg
> >
> > p.s. note the spelling: "Shweder"
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks Huw for this video link.
> > >
> > > On this topic of Romantic science, where do others locate Shweder's
> > > understanding of "intentional worlds" within the notion of romantic
> > > science? Do others connect Shweder with Bruner, Cole, and Luria in the
> > > exploration of *romantic science"? There are differences in emphasis
> > among
> > > these various authors but is there also overlap??
> > >
> > > Shweder wrote: Cultural Psychology is premised on existential
> UNCERTAINTY
> > > (the search for meaning) and on a (so-called) "intentional" conception
> of
> > > "constituted" worlds" [from the introduction chapter of Martin Packer's
> > and
> > > Mark Tappan's edited book "Cultural and Historical Perspectives of
> Human
> > > Development" page 6].
> > >
> > > Shweder's exploration of the ethical and moral dimensions within
> > > constituted "intentional" worlds seems to interlink with Bruner's
> notion
> > of
> > > "possible Worlds, Actual Minds" which seems to share similar notions of
> > > cultural psychology with Shweder.
> > >
> > > Martin, in his introduction, locates the lineage of Scweder's "cultural
> > > psychology" with "Aberlard, Herder, Hegel, Heidegger, and Brentano as
> one
> > > stream. Other ancestral lines are Levy-Bruhl, Wittgenstein, Cicourel,
> > > D'Andrade, Geertz, Kleinman, and Sapir.
> > >
> > > I wonder if the cultural historical understanding of human nature
> > existing
> > > within the "gap" between time T and time T+1 can be linked to Shweder's
> > > notion of the existential search for meaning as ALWAYS UNCERTAIN?
> > >
> > > Larry
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 3 January 2013 21:18, <greg.a.thompson@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Wonderful little piece with lots of the classic quotes from
> romantic
> > > > > science (e.g., "murder to dissect").
> > > > > New to me was the sacks luria link.
> > > > > Any chance you could elaborate mike? Or anyone else?
> > > > > -Greg
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > Hi Greg,
> > > >
> > > > There's a video of Mike interviewing Sachs & Bruner, in which they
> both
> > > > elaborate on Luria, on lchc someplace.
> > > >
> > > > I recommend it.
> > > >
> > > > Huw
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > > >
> > > > > On Jan 2, 2013, at 2:23 PM, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > The following review of a new book by Oliver Sachs talks some
> about
> > > > > > romantic science.
> > > > > > FYI
> > > > > > mike
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/30/books/review/hallucinations-by-oliver-sacks.html?ref=books&_r=0
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