Re: [xmca] "Rising to the concrete"

[Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com>]

Human thought/word/action is always in part "imagined" and always in part
"mediated".
How de we enter the circle?? Do we enter "as if" a spatial metaphor of
parts and wholes or do we enter as if a "historical" circle between the
"already" and the "to be"??
Gadamer suggests the whole is the "whole of life".

Larry

On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 10:38 AM, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:

> Which is to say, that human thought/word/action is always in part
> "imagined"?
> mike
>
> On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 6:33 PM, Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Huw
> >
> > Where do you locate the *as if* structure of understanding?  Wolfgang
> Iser
> > proposes a literary anthropology model that posits the actual/real realm
> > AND the imaginal realm  MEDIATED by the fictional.  In this model the
> > distinctions or boundaries between the actual and the fictional are not
> > distinct and clear.
> >
> > Larry
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > On 17 August 2012 19:03, Ivan Rosero <irosero@ucsd.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > > > In the interest of understanding you Huw, these two lines in your
> most
> > > > recent post jumped out at me
> > > >
> > > > To assert that something is not relevant is to prevent such creative
> > > > thinking...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Going back to the other contention, your assertion that analog and
> > > > digital belong to a different frame is wrong.  The only possible
> truth
> > of
> > > > the assertion is that they have nothing to do with your frame...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The following lines also struck me
> > > >
> > > > To abstract is to measure.  To measure is to compare.  Comparison is
> > > > digital.
> > > >
> > > > These assertions create a pretty big universe of seemingly irrelevant
> > > > things to thinking about abstraction and comparison.  I wonder, for
> > > > example, if abstraction can be about something other than measuring?
> > >  And,
> > > > would the following sentence count as comparison?
> > > >
> > > > "A dog is kind of like a sheep."
> > > >
> > >
> > > Yes, it can count as comparison.
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > If yes, is this a "digital" comparison?  If no, what is this sentence
> > in
> > > > your estimation?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Yes.   For the dog to be conceived of as like a sheep, you are
> comparing
> > a
> > > model of a dog with a model of a sheep.
> > >
> > > Likewise the only means of comparing the two living things is by
> various
> > > measurements.  To say that one is like another is to compare
> conceptions
> > > made from aggregated abstractions.
> > >
> > > But you could say "My dog is a sheep", which is not such a comparison.
> > >
> > > I do not like writing that someone is wrong, but then I do not like
> > > obfuscation even more.  If you think it's out of place, please forgive
> > the
> > > harshness.
> > >
> > > Huw
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > ivan
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