Re: [xmca] "Rising to the concrete"

[mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>]

Thanks for posting the link to the paper, Andy.

I believe that a starting point is to ask the following question(s):

1. What is it that accounts for the increase in time to carry out a mental
rotation for the plain
conglomeration of blocks?

2. Whatever the process is, why is it that the amount of rotation is
irrelevant if the figure has
a schematic face/head on it in a place where it appears person-like?

Maybe all the concrete is between my ears.
mike

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:27 AM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:

> http://lchc.ucsd.edu/Histarch/**ap81v3n2.PDF<http://lchc.ucsd.edu/Histarch/ap81v3n2.PDF>p.16
>
> Mike, I also, at first had the same problem with motorscooter indicator,
> and I used a different but similar tactic to overcome it. Also, as a civil
> engineer I learnt that it was essential to imagine yourself as the building
> in order to nknow where the stresses would be and effectively design it,
> and most difficult problems, up to the point of calculations could be
> solved this way.
>
> But ... :) ... I can't see what this has to do with abstract and concrete.
> Can you explain?
>
> Andy
>
> mike cole wrote:
>
>> A wonderful paper by Yutaka Sayeki (with two key figures reversed, but it
>> is obvious where the mistake was made when you read it) has an example of
>> what I take to be almost a "measure" of rising to the concrete (see also
>> Davydov's ideas on the topic).
>>
>> Its part of a special issue of the newsletter. Accessible to anyone at
>> lchc.ucsd.edu <http://lchc.ucsd.edu>
>>
>> *
>>
>> Volume 3, Number 2 April 1981
>>
>> *
>>
>> AZUMA, Hiroshi: /A Note on Cross-Cultural Study/
>>
>> INAGAKI, Kayoko: /Facilitation of Knowledge Integration through /
>>
>> /Classroom Discussion/
>>
>> KASHIWAGI, Keiko: /Note on the Socialization Processes in Japan/
>>
>> HATANO, Giyoo, KUHARA, Keiko, and AKIYAMA, Michael: /Kanji Help /
>>
>> /Readers of Japanese Infer the Meaning of Unfamiliar Words/
>>
>> SAITO, Hirofumi/: Toward Comparative Studies in Reading Kanji and /
>>
>> /Kana/
>>
>> SAYEKI, Yutaka: /"Body Analogy" and the Cognition of Rotated Figures/
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 5:24 AM, Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com<mailto:
>> huw.softdesigns@gmail.**com <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>
>>     On 15 August 2012 13:01, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net
>>     <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>> wrote:
>>
>>     > Well, these issues are not going to be solved in 5 minutes, Huw.
>>     Analog
>>     > and digital belong to a completely different frame than the
>>     concepts of
>>     > abstract/concrete and general/universal which I think Greg asked
>>     about
>>     > initially.
>>     >
>>
>>     Analog was an elaboration.  This point is not necessary to resolve
>>     "universal" in the Lenin quote.
>>
>>     Huw
>>
>>
>>     >
>>     > Let me be brief then. Ilyenkov famously makes the point that
>>     (exchange)
>>     > value is an ideal, but it is also real. The market implements a
>>     process of
>>     > abstracting the value of commodities but it is the very
>>     concreteness of the
>>     > market which makes that process possible.
>>
>>     Democracy is an ideal which really motivates millions of people and
>>     > underpins constitutional governments.
>>     >
>>
>>     > Universal suffrage allows that insane people, criminals and
>>     children do
>>     > not vote. And what is more, when the President is elected, only
>>     the votes
>>     > of 51% count. (There are of course plenty of "Ah, but ..."s
>>     about this, but
>>     > this is what is meant by the difference between the general and the
>>     > universal.)
>>     >
>>     > http://www.marxists.org/****reference/archive/hegel/works/****<http://www.marxists.org/**reference/archive/hegel/works/**>
>>     >
>>     sl/slsubjec.htm#SL163n1b<http:**//www.marxists.org/reference/**
>> archive/hegel/works/sl/**slsubjec.htm#SL163n1b<http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/works/sl/slsubjec.htm#SL163n1b>
>> >
>>     >
>>     > Andy
>>     >
>>     >
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