Re: [xmca] Alfred Schuetz

[mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>]

To me what stands out is the fact that from this perspective, meaning is
retrospectively
constructed. That idea seems entirely consistent with joint-mediated
activity as a unit
of analysis for lots of the phenomena we discuss, teaching/learning
processes for example.
I am not so sure about the "reflective attitude" part being necessary.
mike

On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 6:46 PM, Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com> wrote:

> On page 4 of  the article on multiple realities Schultz writes,
>
>
> it makes us - in our language - either live within our present experiences,
> directed toward their objects, or turn back in a reflective attitude to our
> past experiences and ask for their meaning.*[7]*
>
>
>
> In the same spirit as Martin was reflecting on the *relation between*
> realization and instantiation [*play* in Gadamer's language] the either/or
> language in the above quote [directed toward objects OR turning back] may
> be interpreted *as*  a reciprocal hermeneutical relation of continuous
> moving back and forth and interpenetrating with more permeable boundaries
> and more dynamic flow [in other words *fusing* of the horizons of  present
> experiences and reflective attitude]
>
>
>
> As I understand Gadamer, he would suggest Schultz is operating from a
> particular prejudice-structure of  understanding reflective conduct
> [subject-object reflection] whereas Gadamer is pointing to an alternative
> form of what he terms *effective* reflection.  I acknowledge I may have be
> *mis*-understanding Gadamer, and what I'm suggesting is tentative, but I am
> hearing a particular type of reflection being articulated as I read the
> article.
>
>
>
> Larry
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Andy, Mike, Martin
> >
> > Thanks for this lead.  I have been reading Gadamer's response to Habermas
> > and the interplay between his notion of *traditions* and Habermas notion
> of
> > *emancipation* within social theory.
> >
> > The two chapter's of Martin's book will help further the conversations on
> > these themes.
> >
> > Martin, your conversation with David on the interplay of realization and
> > instantiation and the centrality of the *relation between* these concepts
> > seems central to this discussion.
> >
> > I also wonder about the interplay between realization and reflection and
> > Gadamer's notion of multiple TYPES of reflection. Assertive reflection,
> > thematic reflection, and what Gadamer names as  *effective reflection*
> > where one engages with developing the skills to enter and participate
> > effectively in playing the games without holding back and *merely*
> playing
> > at playing the game.  Effective playing as having its *own* being and
> *we*
> > enter this play and get *taken up* and *carried* along within the play.
> Not
> > privleging either *subjective* consciousness or *objective* consciousness
> > but rather privileging the play in which subjectivity and objectivity
> have
> > their *ground* [metaphorically]
> >
> > Martin, I'm not sure if this was the direction you were taking
> > theconversation, but it what I interpreted you saying.
> >
> > Larry
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 3:51 PM, mike Cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Andy et al -
> >>
> >> Martin's book, the science of qualitative research has a chapter that
> >> traces Kant-Husserl-
> >> Schutz - BergerLuckman that we r reading at Lchc. It helped me a lot to
> >> sort out this branch
> >> of thought. It is followed by a chapter that traces Heidegger - Merleau
> >> Ponty- garfinkle.
> >>
> >> I have heard there is an electronic version, but do not know how to get
> >> it. Working from actual hard copy!
> >> Mike
> >>  On Apr 28, 2012, at 10:19 AM, Andrew Babson <ababson@umich.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >> > He was very influential to Garfinkel, and so from an intellectual
> >> > historical perspective, the development of ethnomethodology,
> >> > conversation analysis and modern sociolinguistics.
> >> >
> >> > On 4/28/12, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:
> >> >> I'd just like to share the attached article, written in 1945 by
> Alfred
> >> >> Schuetz, a refugee from the Frankfurt School living in New York, like
> >> so
> >> >> many others. In the article he appropriates Wm James, GH Mead and J
> >> >> Dewey, whilst coming from the Pheneomenology of Husserl, to adapt the
> >> >> concepts of Pheneomenology to social theory. It is quite interesting.
> >> He
> >> >> remains, in my view within the orbit of Phenomenology, but readers
> will
> >> >> recognise significant points of agreement with AN Leontyev's Activity
> >> >> Theory. What he calls "Conduct" comes close to "Activity," and he
> >> >> introduces the concept of Action which is certainly the same as it is
> >> >> for CHAT, and instead of "an activity" (the 3rd level in ANL's
> system)
> >> >> he has "Project." But although this project has the same relation to
> >> >> Action, it is a subjectively derived project posited on the world,
> >> >> rather than project discovered in the world, and having a basically
> >> >> societal origin. This is the point at which I think he confines
> himself
> >> >> to Phenomenology, and fails to reach a real social theory. The whole
> >> >> business about "multiple realities" which gives the article its title
> >> is
> >> >> very tedious, but actually is valid in its basics I think.
> >> >> Some of us on this list may appreciate him. He's a recent discovery
> >> for me.
> >> >> Andy
> >> >> --
> >> >>
> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >> *Andy Blunden*
> >> >> Joint Editor MCA: http://www.tandfonline.com/toc/hmca20/18/1
> >> >> Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/
> >> >> Book: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1608461459/
> >> >>
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