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On page 4 of the article on multiple realities Schultz writes, it makes us - in our language - either live within our present experiences, directed toward their objects, or turn back in a reflective attitude to our past experiences and ask for their meaning.*[7]* In the same spirit as Martin was reflecting on the *relation between* realization and instantiation [*play* in Gadamer's language] the either/or language in the above quote [directed toward objects OR turning back] may be interpreted *as* a reciprocal hermeneutical relation of continuous moving back and forth and interpenetrating with more permeable boundaries and more dynamic flow [in other words *fusing* of the horizons of present experiences and reflective attitude] As I understand Gadamer, he would suggest Schultz is operating from a particular prejudice-structure of understanding reflective conduct [subject-object reflection] whereas Gadamer is pointing to an alternative form of what he terms *effective* reflection. I acknowledge I may have be *mis*-understanding Gadamer, and what I'm suggesting is tentative, but I am hearing a particular type of reflection being articulated as I read the article. Larry On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com> wrote: > Andy, Mike, Martin > > Thanks for this lead. I have been reading Gadamer's response to Habermas > and the interplay between his notion of *traditions* and Habermas notion of > *emancipation* within social theory. > > The two chapter's of Martin's book will help further the conversations on > these themes. > > Martin, your conversation with David on the interplay of realization and > instantiation and the centrality of the *relation between* these concepts > seems central to this discussion. > > I also wonder about the interplay between realization and reflection and > Gadamer's notion of multiple TYPES of reflection. Assertive reflection, > thematic reflection, and what Gadamer names as *effective reflection* > where one engages with developing the skills to enter and participate > effectively in playing the games without holding back and *merely* playing > at playing the game. Effective playing as having its *own* being and *we* > enter this play and get *taken up* and *carried* along within the play. Not > privleging either *subjective* consciousness or *objective* consciousness > but rather privileging the play in which subjectivity and objectivity have > their *ground* [metaphorically] > > Martin, I'm not sure if this was the direction you were taking > theconversation, but it what I interpreted you saying. > > Larry > > > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 3:51 PM, mike Cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Andy et al - >> >> Martin's book, the science of qualitative research has a chapter that >> traces Kant-Husserl- >> Schutz - BergerLuckman that we r reading at Lchc. It helped me a lot to >> sort out this branch >> of thought. It is followed by a chapter that traces Heidegger - Merleau >> Ponty- garfinkle. >> >> I have heard there is an electronic version, but do not know how to get >> it. Working from actual hard copy! >> Mike >> On Apr 28, 2012, at 10:19 AM, Andrew Babson <ababson@umich.edu> wrote: >> >> > He was very influential to Garfinkel, and so from an intellectual >> > historical perspective, the development of ethnomethodology, >> > conversation analysis and modern sociolinguistics. >> > >> > On 4/28/12, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote: >> >> I'd just like to share the attached article, written in 1945 by Alfred >> >> Schuetz, a refugee from the Frankfurt School living in New York, like >> so >> >> many others. In the article he appropriates Wm James, GH Mead and J >> >> Dewey, whilst coming from the Pheneomenology of Husserl, to adapt the >> >> concepts of Pheneomenology to social theory. It is quite interesting. >> He >> >> remains, in my view within the orbit of Phenomenology, but readers will >> >> recognise significant points of agreement with AN Leontyev's Activity >> >> Theory. What he calls "Conduct" comes close to "Activity," and he >> >> introduces the concept of Action which is certainly the same as it is >> >> for CHAT, and instead of "an activity" (the 3rd level in ANL's system) >> >> he has "Project." But although this project has the same relation to >> >> Action, it is a subjectively derived project posited on the world, >> >> rather than project discovered in the world, and having a basically >> >> societal origin. This is the point at which I think he confines himself >> >> to Phenomenology, and fails to reach a real social theory. The whole >> >> business about "multiple realities" which gives the article its title >> is >> >> very tedious, but actually is valid in its basics I think. >> >> Some of us on this list may appreciate him. He's a recent discovery >> for me. >> >> Andy >> >> -- >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *Andy Blunden* >> >> Joint Editor MCA: http://www.tandfonline.com/toc/hmca20/18/1 >> >> Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/ >> >> Book: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1608461459/ >> >> >> > __________________________________________ >> > _____ >> > xmca mailing list >> > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >> > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >> __________________________________________ >> _____ >> xmca mailing list >> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >> > > __________________________________________ _____ xmca mailing list xmca@weber.ucsd.edu http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca