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Re: [xmca] Aspergers/ASD
On Apr 7, 2012, at 12:40 PM, Peter Smagorinsky wrote:
> Elizabeth, I'd say it's possible, but a long way from being documented. p
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> From: firstname.lastname@example.org [mailto:email@example.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Fein
> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 1:09 PM
> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> Subject: [xmca] Aspergers/ASD
> This seems like a great time to introduce myself to the list, where I have been lurking for a while. I actually began looking into CHAT (at Greg's encouragement, after a paper I gave on the subject) as a way of understanding how social/cultural/historical conditions might be contributing to the rise of autism spectrum conditions. Peter, I am looking forward to reading your articles. And I'll put my question out there, as I am very curious to hear the responses of this
> group: Do you think there is any possibility that contemporary conditions might be contributing to the rise in *actual cases* of autism spectrum disorder (not just their detection). (I'm thinking in particular of factors such as the individualization of society, the need to adhere to social norms that are less explicit/structured and more based on flexibility in order to win and maintain a social place, and the increased role of mimetic media technology as a means of socialization). So,for example, the two observations David made (that people may be losing opportunities to learn the art of social reasoning at the same time that there is a heightened demand for facility with decentered discourses) might be causing more people not only to be DIAGNOSED, but also to DEVELOP in a way that comes off as socially awkward and excessively "rote".
> Elizabeth Fein, MA
> Ph.D. Candidate, University of Chicago
> Department of Comparative Human Development Psychology Fellow, SociAbility
> ---- Original message ----
>> Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 16:33:36 +0000
>> From: firstname.lastname@example.org (on behalf of Peter
> Smagorinsky <email@example.com>)
>> Subject: RE: [xmca] Piaget in Vygotsky 1962
>> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
>> Greg, I'm puzzled by your autism observation. The increase in
> autism spectrum conditions (and by calling it a disorder, you buy into the deficit view of mental health difference) is generally attributed to better diagnostic efforts in light of continued research into mental health generally, including autism. I say this as someone on the spectrum (Asperger's syndrome, which runs in my family). I've had one paper published on this topic and have a couple more in press and a few more in the conceptual stage (awaiting time to write them). I'd be happy to share with others any of the following, if you write me off-list. I was supposed to give one at ISCAR but couldn't make the trip; I'll give another at AERA next weekend. p
>> Smagorinsky, P. (2011). Confessions of a mad
> professor: An autoethnographic consideration of neuroatypicality, extranormativity, and education. Teachers College Record, 113, 1701-1732.
>> Smagorinsky, P. (in press). Vygotsky, "defectology,"
> and the inclusion of people of difference in the broader cultural stream. Journal of Language and Literacy Education.
>> Smagorinsky, P. (in press). "Every individual has his
> own insanity": Applying Vygotsky's work on defectology to the question of mental health as an issue of inclusion. Learning, Culture and Social Interaction
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: email@example.com [mailto:xmca-
> firstname.lastname@example.org] On Behalf Of Greg Thompson
>> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 11:53 AM
>> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>> Subject: Re: [xmca] Piaget in Vygotsky 1962
>> and perhaps the incredibly high rates of "Autism Spectrum
>> diagnosis in the U.S. is a sign of the times?
>> [At the very least, it should be noted that it is a wonderful
> fit for the particular here and now that we inhabit (by ourselves?)].
>> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Larry Purss
> <email@example.com> wrote:
>>> Thanks for the 2 versions of this response by Piaget.
>>> I was interested in Piaget's comments on egocentrism [page
> 3] when he
>>> was talking about unconscious preferential focusing and a
> lack of
>>> differentiation of viewponts. He gives the example of the
>>> instructor who soon discovers that his first lectures were
>>> incomprehensible because he was *talking to himself*, so to
>>> mindful only of his own point of view. The second example
> Piaget gives
>>> is developing the capacity to place oneself in the shoes of
> the other
>>> [taking the point of view of one's partner] in order to
> convince the other *on his own ground*.
>>> As I read Piaget's explanation of egocentrism [and its
>>> expression throughout the lifespan] I was wondering if this
>>> [achievement?] to decenter and shift perspectives can be
> viewed as an
>>> *art* form or a *skill* that requires certain dialogical
> *ways* of
>>> This leads to further wondering if the *distortions* in our
>>> housing arrangements; for example how we are becoming more
>>> *self*-contained and living *solo* [50% of all residences
> in New York
>>> city are occupied by a single occupant] may be having the
>>> consequence that we may be loosing the *art* form of
> *social* reasoning.
>>> I guess a counter argument could be made that living alone
>>> *skill* in decentering as we are constantly thrown into
>>> discursive situations.
>>> Just wondering.
>>> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 2:33 PM, David Kellogg
>>>> Actually, the version up on the Marxists Internet Archive
> is missing
>>>> a page and Parsons' translation, although good, is not
> complete in places.
>>>> Here's a version we did, alongside the standard
> translation. The
>>>> part of a discussion we had in our group when we were
> doing T&S in
>>>> I didn't answer your last on Basov, mostly because I was
> trying to
>>>> find some Basov beyod what was published in the JREEP
>>>> Besides that,
>>>> only thing I know about Basov is the (generally very
>>>> in HDHMF.
>>>> What surprises me is that both Basov and Vygotsky are
> indebted to
>>>> of all people, for the distinction between analysis into
> units and
>>>> into elements! And where exactly did Vygotsky get the
> idea that
>>>> behavior evolves just as organs do, if not from Lorenz
>>>> Tinbergen? It might be from Jennings, but in Jennings
> it's not
>>>> exactly behavior itself that evolves; only the
> affordances of an organism's internal organs.
>>>> David Kellogg
>>>> Hankuk University of Foreign Studies
>>>> --- On Fri, 4/6/12, mike cole <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
>>>> From: mike cole <email@example.com>
>>>> Subject: [xmca] Piaget in Vygotsky 1962
>>>> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture,Activity"
>>>> Date: Friday, April 6, 2012, 10:43 AM
>>>> Does anyone have a copy of Piaget's piece on Thought and
>>>> from 1962?
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>> Cognition Department of
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