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RE: [xmca] Aspergers/ASD
Elizabeth, I'd say it's possible, but a long way from being documented. p
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From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Fein
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 1:09 PM
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Subject: [xmca] Aspergers/ASD
This seems like a great time to introduce myself to the list, where I have been lurking for a while. I actually began looking into CHAT (at Greg's encouragement, after a paper I gave on the subject) as a way of understanding how social/cultural/historical conditions might be contributing to the rise of autism spectrum conditions. Peter, I am looking forward to reading your articles. And I'll put my question out there, as I am very curious to hear the responses of this
group: Do you think there is any possibility that contemporary conditions might be contributing to the rise in *actual cases* of autism spectrum disorder (not just their detection). (I'm thinking in particular of factors such as the individualization of society, the need to adhere to social norms that are less explicit/structured and more based on flexibility in order to win and maintain a social place, and the increased role of mimetic media technology as a means of socialization). So,for example, the two observations David made (that people may be losing opportunities to learn the art of social reasoning at the same time that there is a heightened demand for facility with decentered discourses) might be causing more people not only to be DIAGNOSED, but also to DEVELOP in a way that comes off as socially awkward and excessively "rote".
Thoughts?
Elizabeth Fein, MA
Ph.D. Candidate, University of Chicago
Department of Comparative Human Development Psychology Fellow, SociAbility
(773)860-7275
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>Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 16:33:36 +0000
>From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu (on behalf of Peter
Smagorinsky <smago@uga.edu>)
>Subject: RE: [xmca] Piaget in Vygotsky 1962
>To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>
>Greg, I'm puzzled by your autism observation. The increase in
autism spectrum conditions (and by calling it a disorder, you buy into the deficit view of mental health difference) is generally attributed to better diagnostic efforts in light of continued research into mental health generally, including autism. I say this as someone on the spectrum (Asperger's syndrome, which runs in my family). I've had one paper published on this topic and have a couple more in press and a few more in the conceptual stage (awaiting time to write them). I'd be happy to share with others any of the following, if you write me off-list. I was supposed to give one at ISCAR but couldn't make the trip; I'll give another at AERA next weekend. p
>
> Smagorinsky, P. (2011). Confessions of a mad
professor: An autoethnographic consideration of neuroatypicality, extranormativity, and education. Teachers College Record, 113, 1701-1732.
> Smagorinsky, P. (in press). Vygotsky, "defectology,"
and the inclusion of people of difference in the broader cultural stream. Journal of Language and Literacy Education.
> Smagorinsky, P. (in press). "Every individual has his
own insanity": Applying Vygotsky's work on defectology to the question of mental health as an issue of inclusion. Learning, Culture and Social Interaction
>
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>From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-
bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of Greg Thompson
>Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 11:53 AM
>To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>Subject: Re: [xmca] Piaget in Vygotsky 1962
>
>Larry,
>and perhaps the incredibly high rates of "Autism Spectrum
Disorder"
>diagnosis in the U.S. is a sign of the times?
>[At the very least, it should be noted that it is a wonderful
fit for the particular here and now that we inhabit (by ourselves?)].
>-greg
>
>On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Larry Purss
<lpscholar2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the 2 versions of this response by Piaget.
>>
>> I was interested in Piaget's comments on egocentrism [page
3] when he
>> was talking about unconscious preferential focusing and a
lack of
>> differentiation of viewponts. He gives the example of the
beginning
>> instructor who soon discovers that his first lectures were
>> incomprehensible because he was *talking to himself*, so to
say,
>> mindful only of his own point of view. The second example
Piaget gives
>> is developing the capacity to place oneself in the shoes of
the other
>> [taking the point of view of one's partner] in order to
convince the other *on his own ground*.
>>
>> As I read Piaget's explanation of egocentrism [and its
continuing
>> expression throughout the lifespan] I was wondering if this
ability
>> [achievement?] to decenter and shift perspectives can be
viewed as an
>> *art* form or a *skill* that requires certain dialogical
*ways* of
>> expression.
>> This leads to further wondering if the *distortions* in our
current
>> housing arrangements; for example how we are becoming more
>> *self*-contained and living *solo* [50% of all residences
in New York
>> city are occupied by a single occupant] may be having the
unintended
>> consequence that we may be loosing the *art* form of
*social* reasoning.
>>
>> I guess a counter argument could be made that living alone
requires
>> more
>> *skill* in decentering as we are constantly thrown into
novel
>> discursive situations.
>>
>> Just wondering.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 2:33 PM, David Kellogg
>> <vaughndogblack@yahoo.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Mike:
>> >
>> > Actually, the version up on the Marxists Internet Archive
is missing
>> > a page and Parsons' translation, although good, is not
complete in places.
>> >
>> > Here's a version we did, alongside the standard
translation. The
>> > boxes
>> are
>> > part of a discussion we had in our group when we were
doing T&S in
>> Korean.
>> >
>> > I didn't answer your last on Basov, mostly because I was
trying to
>> > find some Basov beyod what was published in the JREEP
myself.
>> > Besides that,
>> the
>> > only thing I know about Basov is the (generally very
favorable)
>> references
>> > in HDHMF.
>> >
>> > What surprises me is that both Basov and Vygotsky are
indebted to
>> Volkelt,
>> > of all people, for the distinction between analysis into
units and
>> analysis
>> > into elements! And where exactly did Vygotsky get the
idea that
>> > behavior evolves just as organs do, if not from Lorenz
and
>> > Tinbergen? It might be from Jennings, but in Jennings
it's not
>> > exactly behavior itself that evolves; only the
affordances of an organism's internal organs.
>> >
>> > David Kellogg
>> > Hankuk University of Foreign Studies
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --- On Fri, 4/6/12, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > From: mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>
>> > Subject: [xmca] Piaget in Vygotsky 1962
>> > To: "eXtended Mind, Culture,Activity"
<xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>> > Date: Friday, April 6, 2012, 10:43 AM
>> >
>> >
>> > Does anyone have a copy of Piaget's piece on Thought and
Language
>> > from 1962?
>> > mike
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