RE: [xmca] Piaget in Vygotsky 1962

[Peter Smagorinsky <smago@uga.edu>]

Greg, I'm puzzled by your autism observation. The increase in autism spectrum conditions (and by calling it a disorder, you buy into the deficit view of mental health difference) is generally attributed to better diagnostic efforts in light of continued research into mental health generally, including autism. I say this as someone on the spectrum (Asperger's syndrome, which runs in my family). I've had one paper published on this topic and have a couple more in press and a few more in the conceptual stage (awaiting time to write them). I'd be happy to share with others any of the following, if you write me off-list. I was supposed to give one at ISCAR but couldn't make the trip; I'll give another at AERA next weekend. p

	Smagorinsky, P. (2011). Confessions of a mad professor: An autoethnographic consideration of neuroatypicality, extranormativity, and education. Teachers College Record, 113, 1701-1732.
	Smagorinsky, P. (in press). Vygotsky, "defectology," and the inclusion of people of difference in the broader cultural stream. Journal of Language and Literacy Education.
	Smagorinsky, P. (in press). "Every individual has his own insanity": Applying Vygotsky's work on defectology to the question of mental health as an issue of inclusion. Learning, Culture and Social Interaction

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From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of Greg Thompson
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 11:53 AM
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Subject: Re: [xmca] Piaget in Vygotsky 1962

Larry,
and perhaps the incredibly high rates of "Autism Spectrum Disorder"
diagnosis in the U.S. is a sign of the times?
[At the very least, it should be noted that it is a wonderful fit for the particular here and now that we inhabit (by ourselves?)].
-greg

On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the 2 versions of this response by Piaget.
>
> I was interested in Piaget's comments on egocentrism [page 3] when he 
> was talking about unconscious preferential focusing and a lack of 
> differentiation of viewponts.  He gives the example of the beginning 
> instructor who soon discovers that his first lectures were 
> incomprehensible because he was *talking to himself*, so to say, 
> mindful only of his own point of view. The second example Piaget gives 
> is developing the capacity to place oneself in the shoes of the other 
> [taking the point of view of one's partner] in order to convince the other *on his own ground*.
>
> As I read Piaget's explanation of egocentrism [and its continuing 
> expression throughout the lifespan] I was wondering if this ability 
> [achievement?] to decenter and shift perspectives can be viewed as an 
> *art* form or a *skill* that requires certain dialogical *ways* of 
> expression.
> This leads to further wondering if the *distortions* in our current 
> housing arrangements; for example how we are becoming more 
> *self*-contained and living *solo* [50% of all residences in New York 
> city are occupied by a single occupant] may be  having the unintended 
> consequence that we may be loosing the *art* form of *social* reasoning.
>
> I guess a counter argument could be made that living alone requires 
> more
> *skill* in decentering as we are constantly thrown into novel 
> discursive situations.
>
> Just wondering.
>
> Larry
>
> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 2:33 PM, David Kellogg 
> <vaughndogblack@yahoo.com
> >wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Mike:
> >
> > Actually, the version up on the Marxists Internet Archive is missing 
> > a page and Parsons' translation, although good, is not complete in places.
> >
> > Here's a version we did, alongside the standard translation. The 
> > boxes
> are
> > part of a discussion we had in our group when we were doing T&S in
> Korean.
> >
> > I didn't answer your last on Basov, mostly because I was trying to 
> > find some Basov beyod what was published in the JREEP myself. 
> > Besides that,
> the
> > only thing I know about Basov is the (generally very favorable)
> references
> > in HDHMF.
> >
> > What surprises me is that both Basov and Vygotsky are indebted to
> Volkelt,
> > of all people, for the distinction between analysis into units and
> analysis
> > into elements! And where exactly did Vygotsky get the idea that 
> > behavior evolves just as organs do, if not from Lorenz and 
> > Tinbergen? It might be from Jennings, but in Jennings it's not 
> > exactly behavior itself that evolves; only the affordances of an organism's internal organs.
> >
> > David Kellogg
> > Hankuk University of Foreign Studies
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Fri, 4/6/12, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>
> > Subject: [xmca] Piaget in Vygotsky 1962
> > To: "eXtended Mind, Culture,Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> > Date: Friday, April 6, 2012, 10:43 AM
> >
> >
> > Does anyone have a copy of Piaget's piece on Thought and Language 
> > from 1962?
> > mike
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Gregory A. Thompson, Ph.D.
Sanford I. Berman Post-Doctoral Scholar
Laboratory of Comparative Human Cognition Department of Communication University of California, San Diego http://ucsd.academia.edu/GregoryThompson
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