Re: [xmca] activity (was concepts)

[Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com>]

On 23 April 2011 13:40, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:

> The idea of temperature and the construction and use of thermostats are
> definitely implicated in one another, Huw, but there is not a simple
> relation between them. When you say (I think) that a thermostat "regulates
> an action"


Nearly.  I am saying that the implementation of a type regulates the
action/behaviour.  That this type is implemented in a system, and that the
system regulates the temperature through repeated actions that are regulated
by the type.   In other words, the system has a model (the notion of
temperature) of the environment it regulates, and that this model is _not_
an action/behaviour.


> this is somewhat loose talk isn't it.


Yes.  I'm trying to be brief.


> I certainly use the thermostat on my gas fire here to regulate the
> temperature, and my action in so doing is an action using an artefact (the
> thermostat) is that what you meant?
>

I'm interested in what you call the thing, when considered in isolation,
that regulates an action.  If, for instance, the thermostat failed and you
manually operated the gas fire.

Back later,

Huw



>
> Andy
>
> Huw Lloyd wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 23 April 2011 13:00, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net <mailto:
>> ablunden@mira.net>> wrote:
>>
>>    Instances and types are both involved here, Huw.
>>    In fact, any concept has individual, universal and particular moments.
>>
>>
>> Ok.  And are are you happy that a type can be materially implemented, such
>> as the notion of room temperature implemented in a thermostat, and that this
>> type is not an action, but that it regulates an action?
>>
>> Huw
>>
>>
>>    Andy
>>
>>    Huw Lloyd wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>        On 23 April 2011 06:41, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net
>>        <mailto:ablunden@mira.net> <mailto:ablunden@mira.net
>>
>>        <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>>> wrote:
>>
>>           I'll leave Marx on commodity Fetishsm for the moment,
>>        Martin, and
>>
>>           solely to make the point that I am not alone on this
>>        business of
>>           meaning as act.
>>
>>           For example, V P Zinchenko's "Vygotsky's ideas about units
>>        for the
>>           analysis of mind', in Culture, Communication and cognition:
>>
>>           Vygvotskyan Perspectives, ed J V Wertsch CUP 1985, pp. 94-118:
>>
>>             “one can consider tool-mediated action as being very close to
>>             meaning as unit of analysis.”
>>
>>
>>        Quick question, Andy.  Are you distinguishing instances and
>>        classifications?
>>
>>        I can demonstrate a plan by executing it.  I can refer to the
>>        execution as an example of my plan.  But the execution in not
>>        a plan.
>>
>>        Huw
>>
>>           and Engestrom's "Learning by Expanding":
>>
>>             “According to Vygotsky, the instrumentally mediated act
>>        ‘is the
>>             simplest segment of behavior that is dealt with by
>>        research based on
>>             elementary units’.”
>>
>>           Andy
>>
>>
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