Re: [xmca] comparing NewYorker images

[ERIC.RAMBERG@spps.org]

perhaps this can be clarified perhaps not. 

When a tribal elder teaches an apprentice to build a blow pipe is that 
conveying scientific concepts or is it conveying everyday concepts?

In other words do scientific concepts only happen in a formal academic 
setting?

I can accept that everyday concepts grow out of perceptions rather than 
abstractions of thought.

Perhaps that is my own muddled perception on things.  For if one views 
life as being perfect than one can live a perfect life.

eric



From:
mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>
To:
ablunden@mira.net, "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" 
<xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
Date:
07/07/2010 09:22 AM
Subject:
Re: [xmca] comparing NewYorker images
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Yes indeed, beware empty abstractions, Andy!
And rise to the concrete if we can.
My major point in that note was that in moving between "levels" of
abstraction contained with the image, our perception, how we
"see" the constituents changes. Might this be akin to the dynamics between
scientific and everyday concepts, and/or between differently configures
systems of higher psychological functions?
mike
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 11:26 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:

> Well, we're all hanging out for the next issue of The New Yorker now! I
> feel really "exposed" by this exercise. :) In both cases I failed to see 
the
> cultural reference. I picked up the abstract-theoretical reference, 
indeed
> I'd even already used No. 2 to illustrate "Gestalt", but still failed to 
see
> the real-world, cultural meaning. :( Once an abstract-thinker, always an
> abstract thinker, no matter how many books you read.
>
> Andy
>
>
> White, Phillip wrote:
>
>> Well, certainly, Mike, I thing that knowing the song "Love and 
marriage,
>> love and marriage, go together like a horse and carriage. Dad would say 
to
>> Mother, "You can't have one without the other."
>>
>> So, yes, two peas in a pod, a pair of shoes, and a pair of eyes.
>>
>> Phillip
>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>
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>>        Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>> Subject: [xmca] comparing NewYorker images
>>
>> I want to use the occasion of martin coming late to the second of two 
new
>> yorker covers we have
>> been disscussing, to talk about some interesting properties of each and
>> different approaches to their
>> interpretation (I have still to deal with local microgenises).
>>
>> What both images seem to have in common is that an overall concept 
covers
>> all the examples. One you see the overall concept, you
>> perception/interpretation of the constituents changes. And, if you are
>> working upward from the constituents, but still have not got "IT" the
>> little
>> its do not "add up."
>>
>> So someone sees the two eyeball shaped almost green things as "two 
green
>> dots." But after one takes
>> in the heart *near* the top, and then the two bells with what look like
>> ribbons, on may think (June=prominent
>> month for getting married, weddding bells...... and from there on, 
there
>> are
>> functional relations among the parts and those functions have changed 
in
>> some cases where the function is difficult to discern, like those
>> two partly green eye shaped things. Now they become "two peas i a pod" 
and
>> you might notice that it is
>> kind of strange that they are only partly green.
>>
>> I am pretty sure this is what Paula and David were writing about in a 
more
>> consistent way.
>>
>> One thing I am pretty certain of. Getting "it" requires voobrazhenie,
>> into-image-making, and the process of
>> voobrazhenie is path dependent.
>>
>> What would LSV think?
>> mike
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