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Re: [xmca] Institutions and concepts
I find this list fascinating and intriguing.
Each term has different conceptual frames but all are trying to map similar terrain.
Why are you recommending "projects" and "institutions" as more coherent terms than some of the other discourse terms?
My reason for liking your term "institutions" is very particular to my working in schools as the world arena where intersubjective constitution is developing.
Since everyone recognizes schools as institutional structures which "frame" (A term I particulary like and use all the time with students) particular patterns of interaction, then elaborating the notion of "institution" has a good chance to be easily transferable to the "educational" discourse "genres" (Another term I like)
I recognize your "project" which emphasize HISTORICAL DEVELOPMENT of ideas and frames and genres as very helpful to how we map the terrain. For example the article you posted on Kant highlights the 1920's as a particular historical moment in Germany which created new "frames" and "projects" which have supported further institutional developments. Martin, as you point out we are still currently engaged in "reading" these "texts" both as "historical" documents BUT also our current discourse is still articulating responses to Kant and Hegel, but without our understanding the historical roots of our discourse.
Your elaboration of the epistemology/ontology tension and the historical location of this tension in 1920's Germany is a fascinating "narrative."
Once again, thanks for this psychological tool. I'm thinking of framing it and putting it next to my computer as I think out loud. (Mead's conversational gesture)
----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Whitson <twhitson@UDel.Edu>
Date: Friday, March 26, 2010 8:50 pm
Subject: Re: [xmca] Institutions and concepts
To: firstname.lastname@example.org, "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <email@example.com>
> Thanks, Andy; this is extremely useful.
> I would add this:
> Stephen Toulmin: Concepts as micro-institutions (according to my
> which is less reliable at this hour)
> I have something on this in my chapter in the Kirshner & Whitson
> book on Situated Cognition. See
> On Sat, 27 Mar 2010, Andy Blunden wrote:
> > mike cole wrote:
> >> Perhaps I am agreeing with Andy about the linkages between
> >> and
> >> concepts, which is also a linkage between activities and concepts.
> > Mike, I would like to mention the following semantic
> connections which I
> > think CHAT needs to pay attention to if we are to talk to the
> numerous other
> > currents who share our domain of enquiry.
> > Institution = Discourse (Foucault)
> > = Practico-intert (Sartre)
> > = Object (Hegel)
> > = Activity (ANL, def. by object)
> > = Genre (Bakhtin)
> > = Frame (Goffman)
> > = Tradition (Gadamer)
> > = Figured world (D Holland)
> > = Activity System (Engestrom?)
> > = Social formation (Marx)
> > = Field (Bourdieu)
> > which is a dead or solidified ...?
> > Project for Schmit
> > for Hegelians like Pinkard and Andy
> > for Existentialists (Sartre, Heidegger?)
> > Gestalt des consciousness for Hegel
> > momentary = context
> > = situation
> > Projects & Institutions have as Units ... ?
> > = Concept
> > = Action (ANL)
> > = Text?
> > obviously none of the = are really =, because they involve
> > conceptual frames. Which is my point, I guess.
> > Andy
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