Re: [xmca] Institutions and concepts

[mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>]

Andy-- It would be interesting to array your list along side of the
historical genealogy that has grown from Arne Raithel's early genealology of
chat.
mike

On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Larry Purss <lpurss@shaw.ca> wrote:

> Andy
> I find this list fascinating and intriguing.
> Each term has different conceptual frames but all are trying to map similar
> terrain.
> Why are you recommending "projects" and "institutions" as more coherent
> terms than some of the other discourse terms?
> My reason for liking your term "institutions" is very particular to my
> working in schools as the world arena where intersubjective constitution is
> developing.
> Since everyone recognizes schools as institutional structures which "frame"
> (A term I particulary like and use all the time with students) particular
> patterns of interaction, then elaborating the notion of "institution" has a
> good chance to be easily transferable to the "educational" discourse
> "genres" (Another term I like)
>
> Martin,
> I recognize your "project" which emphasize HISTORICAL DEVELOPMENT of ideas
> and frames and genres as very helpful to how we map the terrain. For example
> the article you posted on Kant highlights the 1920's as a particular
> historical moment in Germany which created new "frames" and "projects" which
> have supported further institutional developments.  Martin, as you point out
> we are still currently engaged in "reading" these "texts" both as
> "historical" documents BUT also our current discourse is still articulating
> responses to Kant and  Hegel, but without our understanding the historical
> roots of our discourse.
> Your elaboration of the epistemology/ontology tension and the historical
> location of this tension in 1920's Germany is a fascinating "narrative."
>
> Andy,
> Once again, thanks for this psychological tool. I'm thinking of framing it
> and putting it next to my computer as I think out loud. (Mead's
> conversational gesture)
>
> Larry
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tony Whitson <twhitson@UDel.Edu>
> Date: Friday, March 26, 2010 8:50 pm
> Subject: Re: [xmca] Institutions and concepts
> To: ablunden@mira.net, "eXtended Mind, Culture,   Activity" <
> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>
> > Thanks, Andy; this is extremely useful.
> >
> > I would add this:
> > Stephen Toulmin: Concepts as micro-institutions (according to my
> > memory,
> > which is less reliable at this hour)
> >
> > I have something on this in my chapter in the Kirshner & Whitson
> > (eds)
> > book on Situated Cognition. See
> > http://www.amazon.com/Situated-Cognition-Semiotic-Psychological-
> > Perspectives/dp/0805820388/
> > On Sat, 27 Mar 2010, Andy Blunden wrote:
> >
> > > mike cole wrote:
> > >> Perhaps I am agreeing with Andy about the linkages between
> > institutions
> > >> and
> > >> concepts, which is also a linkage between activities and concepts.
> > >
> > > Mike, I would like to mention the following semantic
> > connections which I
> > > think CHAT needs to pay attention to if we are to talk to the
> > numerous other
> > > currents who share our domain of enquiry.
> > >
> > > Institution = Discourse  (Foucault)
> > >            = Practico-intert (Sartre)
> > >            = Object (Hegel)
> > >            = Activity (ANL, def. by object)
> > >            = Genre (Bakhtin)
> > >            = Frame (Goffman)
> > >            = Tradition (Gadamer)
> > >            = Figured world (D Holland)
> > >            = Activity System (Engestrom?)
> > >            = Social formation (Marx)
> > >            = Field (Bourdieu)
> > > which is a dead or solidified ...?
> > > Project     for Schmit
> > >            for Hegelians like Pinkard and Andy
> > >            for Existentialists (Sartre, Heidegger?)
> > > Gestalt des consciousness for Hegel
> > > momentary   = context
> > >            = situation
> > >
> > > Projects & Institutions have as Units ... ?
> > >            = Concept
> > >             = Action (ANL)
> > >             = Text?
> > >
> > > obviously none of the = are really =, because they involve
> > different
> > > conceptual frames. Which is my point, I guess.
> > >
> > > Andy
> > >
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