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Dear Julian and Ana, I think that Freire is working out from a different corner. "- I understand social issues when I can do it" would not be an ideal match. Therefore, I think, we should, first of all, try to situate Freire`s contribution. Sil ________________________________ From: Julian Williams <julian.williams@manchester.ac.uk> To: Ana Paula B. R. Cortez <apbrcortez@yahoo.com.br>; "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2011 12:37 AM Subject: RE: [xmca] Jones on Learning under capitalism Ana But there is always more to say... for instance: what is 'authentic understanding' in relation to the (use and exchange, or other) value of one's reading/work/labour? I am often told by learners that they 'understand' some mathematics, when they can 'do it', e.g. do a procedure... they say "I get it now" - meaning they think they can 'do what is required' for the coming test (there is always a test). But we might value a 'more authentic understanding' than just procedure-following only... do/can we agree what is authentic understanding then? Julian -----Original Message----- From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of Ana Paula B. R. Cortez Sent: 01 November 2011 15:10 To: Haydi Zulfei; eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity Subject: Re: [xmca] Jones on Learning under capitalism Hello, everyone! Here is Freire's definition of reading, in "Carta de Paulo Freire aos professores" (Freire's letter to teachers - In Portuguese at: http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S0103-40142001000200013) "Ler é uma operação inteligente, difícil, exigente, mas gratificante. Ninguém lê ou estuda autenticamente se não assume, diante do texto ou do objeto da curiosidade a forma crítica de ser ou de estar sendo sujeito da curiosidade, sujeito da leitura, sujeito do processo de conhecer em que se acha. Ler é procurar buscar criar a compreensão do lido; daí, entre outros pontos fundamentais, a importância do ensino correto da leitura e da escrita. É que ensinar a ler é engajar-se numa experiência criativa em torno da compreensão. Da compreensão e da comunicação." My free translation of the extract: "Reading is an intelligent, difficult, demanding, but gratifying operation. Nobody authentically reads or studies if, facing the text or the object of his/her curiosity, he/she doesn't take a critical stance as the subject of curiosity, the subject of reading, the subject of the process of knowing where he/she is. Reading is to try to create the understanding of what's being read; therefore, among other crucial points, there lies the importance of teaching reading and writing in a correct way. Teaching how to read means engaging in a creative experience revolving understanding. Understanding and communication." Well, I don't think there is anything else to comment about it. Enjoy! Ana Paula Cortez ________________________________ De: Haydi Zulfei <haydizulfei@rocketmail.com> Para: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> Enviadas: Terça-feira, 1 de Novembro de 2011 12:07 Assunto: Re: [xmca] Jones on Learning under capitalism Tony And I think : Reading predisposes to TRANSFORMATION while "reading" predisposes to MUTILATION ! Haydi ________________________________ From: Tony Whitson <twhitson@UDel.Edu> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> Sent: Tuesday, 1 November 2011, 6:42:01 Subject: RE: [xmca] Jones on Learning under capitalism On Tue, 1 Nov 2011, Julian Williams wrote: > Andy > > 2. Peter works with the distinction between learning and 'learning' etc, ,,, > the majority learn to read, but read like robots. ... > > Julian I think we need to distinguish between reading and 'reading' I would look to Freire for this. __________________________________________ _____ xmca mailing list xmca@weber.ucsd.edu http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca __________________________________________ _____ xmca mailing list xmca@weber.ucsd.edu http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca __________________________________________ _____ xmca mailing list xmca@weber.ucsd.edu http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca __________________________________________ _____ xmca mailing list xmca@weber.ucsd.edu http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca __________________________________________ _____ xmca mailing list xmca@weber.ucsd.edu http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca