RE: [xmca] Jones on Learning under capitalism

[Julian Williams <julian.williams@manchester.ac.uk>]

Ana

But there is always more to say... for instance: what is 'authentic understanding' in relation to the (use and exchange, or other)  value of one's reading/work/labour?

I am often told by learners that they 'understand' some mathematics, when they can 'do it', e.g. do a procedure... they say "I get it now" - meaning they think they can  'do what is required' for the coming test (there is always a test). 

But we might value a 'more authentic understanding' than just procedure-following only... do/can we agree what is authentic understanding then?


Julian



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From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of Ana Paula B. R. Cortez
Sent: 01 November 2011 15:10
To: Haydi Zulfei; eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
Subject: Re: [xmca] Jones on Learning under capitalism

Hello, everyone!

Here is Freire's definition of reading, in "Carta de Paulo Freire aos professores" (Freire's letter to teachers - In Portuguese at:  http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S0103-40142001000200013)


"Ler é uma operação inteligente,    
difícil, exigente, mas gratificante. Ninguém lê ou estuda    
autenticamente se não assume, diante do texto ou do objeto da 
curiosidade    a forma crítica de ser ou de estar sendo sujeito da 
curiosidade, sujeito    da leitura, sujeito do processo de conhecer em 
que se acha. Ler é procurar    buscar criar a compreensão do lido; daí, 
entre outros pontos fundamentais,    a importância do ensino correto da 
leitura e da escrita. É que    ensinar a ler é engajar-se numa 
experiência criativa em torno da compreensão. Da compreensão e da comunicação."

My free translation of the extract: 


"Reading is an intelligent, difficult, demanding,  but 
gratifying operation. Nobody authentically reads or studies if, facing the text or the object of his/her curiosity, he/she doesn't take a critical stance as the subject of curiosity, the subject of reading, the subject of the process of knowing where he/she is. Reading is to try to create the understanding of what's being read; therefore, among other crucial points, there lies the importance of teaching reading and writing in a correct way. Teaching how to read means engaging in a creative experience revolving understanding. Understanding and communication."

Well, I don't think there is anything else to comment about it.
Enjoy!
Ana Paula Cortez



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De: Haydi Zulfei <haydizulfei@rocketmail.com>
Para: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
Enviadas: Terça-feira, 1 de Novembro de 2011 12:07
Assunto: Re: [xmca] Jones on Learning under capitalism

Tony

And I think :

Reading predisposes to TRANSFORMATION while "reading" predisposes to MUTILATION !

Haydi



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From: Tony Whitson <twhitson@UDel.Edu>
To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, 1 November 2011, 6:42:01
Subject: RE: [xmca] Jones on Learning under capitalism


On Tue, 1 Nov 2011, Julian Williams wrote:


> Andy

>

> 2.  Peter works with the distinction between learning and 'learning' 

etc, ,,,

> the majority learn to read, but read like robots.  ...

>

> Julian


I think we need to distinguish between reading and 'reading'


I would look to Freire for this.

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