Hi Andy
I want to add on to your comment
It intrigues me the doggedness of the prejudice of analytical
philosophy, going back centuries and right up to the present day, that
perception and indeed the Universe itself, begins with arbitrarily small
individual chunks and composes the whole from there up, bit by bit. And
there is no basis in fact for the prejudice at all. I could cite Liberal
and bourgeois ideology, I suppose, but even then it seems difficult to
accept.
Lawrence Hass in his book about Merleau-Ponty talks about this theme
when he talks about analyzing living perception through
neuroscientific explanations. Hass takes the stance that analytic
explanations are always derivative from the totality of lived
perception. One must experience the gestalen before proceeding to
analyze it. Analytic explanations are always ABOUT experience.
However he makes an important point that it does not follow from this
stance that 2nd order constructions are IDEAL of a MORE ORIGINAL
reality. The sense-data atomistic perspective of much of science is
ideal. BUT for Hass the nerves and synapses ARE REAL and modular brain
FUNCTIONS are explanations of the real. Analysis can tell us about the
real. However, analysis always constucts THIS particular PERSPECTIVE,
as a form of discourse, [way of thinking, speaking, and working] which
is always PARTIAL, always LIMITED, always BOUND to a perspective.
The neurobiological perspective IS real but NOT MORE REAL than living
perception. At an ontological level perception [lived experience or
neurobiology]is always BOUND TO PERSPECTIVES that are always partial
and partial. [This is to keep in mind our culture's bias or
"prejudice" against prejudice is also bound to a particular perspective]
Hass, used the metaphor of BInocular vision to elaborate this
point.[Merleau-Ponty and Bateson both used this metaphor] Every
monocular vision is partial and looking out of one eye gives a REAL
but partial perception. Each eye gives a partial perspective on the
world. Neither of these partial monocular visions can be compared
with the BInocular gestalen vision that has more depth and clarity
than either of the monocular visions. MEANING from either monocular
vision and meaning from binocular vision are different FORMS of
recognition. Merleau-Ponty's project is to explore these differences.
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 11:53 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net
<mailto:ablunden@mira.net>> wrote:
Thanks David. Vygotsky is reporting Stern's work in the citation I
gave,
but refers to the method "introduced into psychology a long time
ago" so
he wasn't even going to give Stern credit for originality in this
instance.
But anyway, I can cite "unpublished work by D. Kellogg" for
authetication. Thank you.
It intrigues me the doggedness of the prejudice of analytical
philosophy, going back centuries and right up to the present day, that
perception and indeed the Universe itself, begins with arbitrarily
small
individual chunks and composes the whole from there up, bit by
bit. And
there is no basis in fact for the prejudice at all. I could cite
Liberal
and bourgeois ideology, I suppose, but even then it seems difficult to
accept.
Andy
David Kellogg wrote:
Yes, Andy. The experiment was actually Stern's. One of my
students and I replicated this experiment with a video clip
and got even more spectacular results. We submitted this as
our contribution to the MCA special issue on foreign language
learning. Naturally, it was rejected, and we were told in no
uncertain terms not to resubmit!
David Kellogg
Seoul National University of Education
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From: Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net
<mailto:ablunden@mira.net>>
Subject: [xmca] perception
To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
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Date: Thursday, June 23, 2011, 10:41 PM
Vygotsky reports on several occasions (eg LSV CW v. 5 pp
86-87) on
an experiment in which children are shown a painting and then
asked to describe it, but then in a variation on the
experiment,
are asked to act out what they see in the painting. Version 1
tests the child's ability bring their perception into conscious
awareness and then translate it into words and deliver a
series of
words one after the other, in answer to a question from a
stranger
and version 2 tests their perception of the painting more
or less
viscerally.
Can anyone tell me if these results still sand or have
there been
more recent experiments perhaps producing some different
result?
Andy
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