Re: [xmca] perception

[Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com>]

Hi Andy

I want to add on to your comment

It intrigues me the doggedness of the prejudice of analytical
philosophy, going back centuries and right up to the present day, that
perception and indeed the Universe itself, begins with arbitrarily small
individual chunks and composes the whole from there up, bit by bit. And
there is no basis in fact for the prejudice at all. I could cite Liberal
and bourgeois ideology, I suppose, but even then it seems difficult to
accept.

Lawrence Hass in his book about Merleau-Ponty talks about this theme when he
talks about analyzing living perception through neuroscientific
explanations.  Hass takes the stance that analytic explanations are always
derivative from the totality of lived perception.  One must experience the
gestalen before proceeding to analyze it.  Analytic explanations are always
ABOUT experience.  However he makes an important point that it does not
follow from this stance that 2nd order constructions are IDEAL of a MORE
ORIGINAL reality.  The sense-data atomistic perspective of much of science
is ideal. BUT for Hass the nerves and synapses ARE REAL and modular brain
FUNCTIONS are explanations of the real. Analysis can tell us about the real.
However, analysis always constucts THIS particular PERSPECTIVE, as a form of
discourse, [way of thinking, speaking, and working] which is always PARTIAL,
always LIMITED,  always BOUND to a perspective.  The neurobiological
perspective IS real but NOT MORE REAL than living perception.  At an
ontological level perception [lived experience or neurobiology]is always
BOUND TO PERSPECTIVES that are always partial and partial. [This is to keep
in mind our culture's bias or "prejudice" against prejudice is also bound to
a particular perspective]

Hass, used the metaphor of BInocular vision to elaborate this
point.[Merleau-Ponty and Bateson both used this metaphor] Every monocular
vision is partial and looking out of one eye gives a REAL but partial
perception.  Each eye gives a partial perspective on the world.  Neither of
these partial monocular visions can be compared with the BInocular gestalen
vision that has more depth and clarity than either of the monocular
visions. MEANING from either monocular vision and meaning from binocular
vision are different FORMS of recognition.  Merleau-Ponty's project is to
explore these differences.






On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 11:53 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:

> Thanks David. Vygotsky is reporting Stern's work in the citation I gave,
> but refers to the method "introduced into psychology a long time ago" so
> he wasn't even going to give Stern credit for originality in this instance.
> But anyway, I can cite "unpublished work by D. Kellogg" for
> authetication. Thank you.
>
> It intrigues me the doggedness of the prejudice of analytical
> philosophy, going back centuries and right up to the present day, that
> perception and indeed the Universe itself, begins with arbitrarily small
> individual chunks and composes the whole from there up, bit by bit. And
> there is no basis in fact for the prejudice at all. I could cite Liberal
> and bourgeois ideology, I suppose, but even then it seems difficult to
> accept.
>
> Andy
>
> David Kellogg wrote:
>
>> Yes, Andy. The experiment was actually Stern's. One of my students and I
>> replicated this experiment with a video clip and got even more spectacular
>> results. We submitted this as our contribution to the MCA special issue on
>> foreign language learning. Naturally, it was rejected, and we were told in
>> no uncertain terms not to resubmit!
>>  David Kellogg
>> Seoul National University of Education
>>
>> --- On *Thu, 6/23/11, Andy Blunden /<ablunden@mira.net>/* wrote:
>>
>>
>>    From: Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net>
>>    Subject: [xmca] perception
>>    To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>>    Date: Thursday, June 23, 2011, 10:41 PM
>>
>>    Vygotsky reports on several occasions (eg LSV CW v. 5 pp 86-87) on
>>    an experiment in which children are shown a painting and then
>>    asked to describe it, but then in a variation on the experiment,
>>    are asked to act out what they see in the painting. Version 1
>>    tests the child's ability bring their perception into conscious
>>    awareness and then translate it into words and deliver a series of
>>    words one after the other, in answer to a question from a stranger
>>    and version 2 tests their perception of the painting more or less
>>    viscerally.
>>
>>    Can anyone tell me if these results still sand or have there been
>>    more recent experiments perhaps producing some different result?
>>
>>    Andy
>>
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