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Re: [xmca] Time in the unit of analysis: Social representations
Eric
Thanks for the Valsiner article. His focus on emergence and genesis in moment to moment dialogue and inner speech as a developmental framework speaks to the centrality of "becoming" as ontological to being human.
Valsiner also suggests that narratives and dialogues are processes of attempting to create a perceived "sense" of "relative" certainty and predictability into the actual flow of experience as always novel and existing for the first time. This is one of the time scales constitutive of human development. It also points to the ongoing tension between novelty and stability when considering the human sciences.
Michael
I attempted to read and understand your article you posted on chaos theory by Ron Thom but I need more background knowledge to grasp its meaning. However, the articulation of adaptation as a continuous process of "tensions" within the developmental process does suggest their is a biological impulse towards greater complexity. A process of greater differentiation and reintegration at higher levels of development when the organism is stressed seems to be central to this developmental process.
Your comment on the triangle excluding time as INNER aspects of history and development. Do you mean by this that it is only the external material forces that impinge on the organism that leads to development and there is no teleological impulse TOWARDS complexity. Development is only a response to contradictions and "tensions" in the organism/environment context? Adaptation is a process of finding the best "fit" in particular niches. Michael, do you have a different understanding?
Where does "anticipation" as a process of emergence (Valsiner) come into your framework? Anticipation seems to imply a process of projecting multiple possibilities into a constrained but relatively open-ended future
Mike,
on Valsiner's position in an earlier post you mentioned his ongoing discussion with ECO and implied (or so I read the comment) that Eco has some particular insights that critique Valsiner's position. The reason for my question is that the discourse on the "dialogical self" which Valsiner and others articulate I find interesting but I'm always wanting to hear the other side in a spirit of uncertainty. Valsiner does speak to this reality of uncertainty as emergence and that through narratives and dialogues we impose order and certainty on this dynamic process. My particular value system orients to living with uncertainty as the way to open spaces for novelty. (within limits:-)
Thanks for the CHAT
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: ERIC.RAMBERG@spps.org
Date: Monday, January 25, 2010 11:22 am
Subject: Re: [xmca] Time in the unit of analysis: Social representations
To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> Also because I enjoy Valsiner so much I'll throw this one in as well:
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> http://www.dialogicidad.cl/papers/Valsiner5.pdf
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> Wolff-Michael Roth <mroth@uvic.ca>
> Sent by: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu
> 01/25/2010 01:07 PM
> Please respond to "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity"
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> To: lchcmike@gmail.com, "eXtended Mind,
> Culture, Activity"
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> Subject: Re: [xmca]
> Time in the unit of analysis: Social representations
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> The triangle itself EXCLUDES time and temporality as INNER
> aspects of
> history and development, the triangle orients us to
> synchronicity and
> synchronous aspects of activity and excludes diachronicity and
> diachronous
> aspects. This is my sense. Michael
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> On 2010-01-25, at 9:59 AM, mike cole wrote:
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> The fact that we are dealing with multiple simultaneously
> constituitive
> time
> scales in all human development is very difficult to deal with and
> represent. It would be great if we could get some
> representational tools
> for
> this set of complications.
>
> It would be fascinating to look at Bronfenbrenner embedded
> context two d
> picture in same in UB's spirit, but not in his representation.
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> mike
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> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 8:21 AM, Larry Purss <lpurss@shaw.ca>
> wrote:
> > Hi Mike
> > I hope this thread goes somewhere.
> > I was thinking about a particular story you mentioned on the
> web which
> > could be a reference point when schematizing the triangle.
> > Your story of the "biography" (see Danzinger for his idea of
> the
> biography
> > of objects) of the abacus as a tool and the history of
> situated
> practices in
> > Japan seems central to CHAT narratives.
> > The process of INTERNALIZATION where "master" abacus players
> no longer
> need
> > to physically manipulate the abacus because the moves are
> manipulated> internally seems to be a key notin that must be
> captured in the
> triangle.
> > Mike, your story of how the abacus location in the culture has
> changed
> and
> > the status positions of master players have transformed is
> also
> informative
> > of the historicity of this theory.
> > I hope others have further thoughts. Historicity and
> time seem central
> to
> > an expanded triangle.
> >
> > Larry
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>
> > Date: Sunday, January 24, 2010 10:50 am
> > Subject: [xmca] Time in the unit of analysis: Social representations
> > To: "eXtended Mind, Culture,Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> > Cc: "Glick, Joseph" <jglick@gc.cuny.edu>
> >
> >> I have been reading the work of Sandra Jovchelovitch at LSE and
> >> wonder if
> >> this work has come to the attention of others? It seems very
> >> closely related
> >> to a CHAT perspective, with many common genealogical
> >> roots. Just how closely her elaboration of Moscovici's work
> on social
> >> representations is a chat perspective I am unsure. One
> onceuponatime>> participant in xmca, Joe Glick has some apposite
> complementary>> thingts to
> >> say about her recent book, *Knowledge and Representation.
> >>
> >> *Certainly seems worth a review in MCA if anyone is
> >> interested/informed.
> >> My particular reason for posting this note is that in her book,
> >> which starts
> >> with a subject-object-subject
> >> triangle that, when elaborated, appears to have the elements
> >> that folks on
> >> this list appear to wish in a
> >> metatheoretical framework, refers to work of Bauer and Gaskell
> >> that contains
> >> a triangle IN TIME. One often hears complaints about the a
> >> temporality for
> >> triangular representations of mediated activity theories, so I
> >> thought the
> >> Bauer and Gaskell picture might inspire somone to produce a
> >> representationthat would do the same for Yrjo's expanded
> >> triangle. Here is the social rep
> >> version. Anyone out there able to
> >> expand on this? (attached)?
> >> mike
> >>
> >
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