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Re: [xmca] Time in the unit of analysis: Social representations



Yes I think Michael's description fits how people use it. Users of the Triangle either place an arrow to the right coming out of Object pointing to Outcome, or, a cascading series of the same triangle slipping to the right, representing the successive reconstitution of the same set of relationships, each of which represent diachronic processes.

Andy

Wolff-Michael Roth wrote:
The triangle itself EXCLUDES time and temporality as INNER aspects of history and development, the triangle orients us to synchronicity and synchronous aspects of activity and excludes diachronicity and diachronous aspects. This is my sense. Michael


On 2010-01-25, at 9:59 AM, mike cole wrote:

The fact that we are dealing with multiple simultaneously constituitive time
scales in all human development is very difficult to deal with and
represent. It would be great if we could get some representational tools for
this set of complications.

It would be fascinating to look at Bronfenbrenner embedded context two d
picture in same in UB's spirit, but not in his representation.

mike

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 8:21 AM, Larry Purss <lpurss@shaw.ca> wrote:

Hi Mike
I hope this thread goes somewhere.
I was thinking about a particular story you mentioned on the web which
could be a reference point when schematizing the triangle.
Your story of the "biography" (see Danzinger for his idea of the biography
of objects) of the abacus as a tool and the history of situated practices in
Japan seems central to CHAT narratives.
The process of INTERNALIZATION where "master" abacus players no longer need
to physically manipulate the abacus because the moves are manipulated
internally seems to be a key notin that must be captured in the triangle.
Mike, your story of how the abacus location in the culture has changed and
the status positions of master players have transformed is also informative
of the historicity of this theory.
I hope others have further thoughts.  Historicity and time seem central to
an expanded triangle.

Larry


----- Original Message -----
From: mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>
Date: Sunday, January 24, 2010 10:50 am
Subject: [xmca] Time in the unit of analysis: Social representations
To: "eXtended Mind, Culture,Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
Cc: "Glick, Joseph" <jglick@gc.cuny.edu>

I have been reading the work of Sandra Jovchelovitch at LSE and
wonder if
this work has come to the attention of others? It seems very
closely related
to a CHAT perspective, with many common genealogical
roots. Just how closely her elaboration of Moscovici's work on social
representations is a chat perspective I am unsure. One onceuponatime
participant in xmca, Joe Glick has some apposite complementary
thingts to
say about her recent book, *Knowledge and Representation.

*Certainly seems worth a review in MCA if anyone is
interested/informed.
My particular reason for posting this note is that in her book,
which starts
with a subject-object-subject
triangle that, when elaborated, appears to have the elements
that folks on
this list appear to wish in a
metatheoretical framework, refers to work of Bauer and Gaskell
that contains
a triangle IN TIME. One often hears complaints about the a
temporality for
triangular representations of mediated activity theories, so I
thought the
Bauer and Gaskell picture might inspire somone to produce a
representationthat would do the same for Yrjo's expanded
triangle. Here is the social rep
version. Anyone out there able to
expand on this? (attached)?
mike

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