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Re: [xmca] Soft Power and Collective Sense Making

Thanks for all those linkages, Larry. Perhaps it would be possible to get a
of Renee's article or send us reference for Rodrigues which may be web

I think that what may be emerging out of this discussion is a distinction
between the analysis of development toward pre-scribed ends
("internalization") (often by pre-scribed means) versus analyses that allow
genuine goal formation and something more like what many refer to as
"mutual appropriation").

Soft power would be the preferred mode for the latter orientation because
it leaves more space for negotiation of meaning.

Anyway, need to see the papers cited.
On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 7:12 AM, Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com> wrote:

> Further reflections on semiotic means for exploring development.
> Bert ores edited a book *the transformation in learning advances in
> cultural-historical activity theory*.
> A chapter in this book by Rene van der veer explores two distinct ways of
> reflecting on the method of double stimulation.one way is using material
> external objects as mediational tools as a step in the process towards
> *internalization* [leontiv's experiments were reviewed].
> The other interpretation prioritizes semiotic preverbial mediation. Rene
> references Rodrigues work on double stimulation with 7, 10, and 13 month
> old babies. Their model prioritizes *showing* and *demonstrating* as
> mediating processes prior to *pointing* or * verbal* GESTURES to develop
> babies conventionalized enculturation.
> Contrasting material object mediation with semiotic dialogical mediation
> [as a triad of infant mother and task] takes a *position* on the centrality
> of *gestures* semiotically mediating enculturation processes as modeling
> cultural conventions.
> Ines langemeyer suggests vygotsky excavated 3 dimensions of mediational
> process [use of sign, use of tool, and social cooperation] [reference is
> "is cultural-historical activity theory threatened to fall short of its own
> principles and possibilities as a dialectical social science"
> rene's article gives a concrete example of the play among these 3
> dimensions of mediational means.
> Langemeyer [and wolff-michael Roth] also explores the understanding of
> dialectical movement within cultural historical theories. Dialectics is NOT
> an *instrument* to overcome the shortfalls of traditional forms of
> investigation. This would misunderstand dialectics as merely a method that
> can be *applied* like a tool.
> Instead dialectical *thinking* becomes a challenge to constantly QUESTION
> a variety of presuppositions concerning practices.
> Langemeyer writes, "This questioning is paramount when a critical approach
> is elaborated and when scientific thinking is developed as a practice of
> emancipatory intervention."
> To return to David eddy spicer's  introduction to his article exploring
> the apparent opposition between an *emphasis* on the sign-mediated semiotic
> nature of collective meaning making [including proverbial conventional
> gesturing] and the *emphasis* on object-oriented  *activity* the two
> articles I reference explore the dialectical relationship [as questioning
> presuppositions] that may bring together semiotic and activity based
> analyses.
> larry purss
> Ps langemeyer's article is published in the journal *outlines* which can
> be freely downloaded
> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 7:46 AM, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Everything is related to everything else, Larry. Still, if we simply
>> engage in Vygotskian chaining, it makes more effective concept development
>> a little iffy.  :-)
>> I think your question is related to Martin's regarding power and
>> positive/negative
>> effects. I found David ES who is cc'ed on this note. Like more than a few
>> of us,
>> this is a busy time of year for him, but he has been on xmca before and
>> hopefully
>> will join the conversation. If we are lucky we might get Harry to
>> participate as well -- as I said, the discussion of Bernstein is important,
>> and, I might add, of Hasan and Halliday as well. But first, Spicer Eddy!
>> g'day!
>> mike
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