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Andy, the whole point of my previous posts was to make the case that internal states and intentions are not fundamental. I am glad that we are apparently in agreement on that issue. But as I was trying to say, Andy, there are multiple ways of understanding an action such as opening a window. In what sense can you say that "the meaning" of the action lies in the activity? I agree that the way an action is understood is not immediately given. It requires an act of interpretation. But for that reason I don't see that we can say there is simply a meaning "in" the activity. First, how is "the activity" to be grasped? What (on earth) is "the activity" in which someone opens the window as a moral leader? And what emotion would I need to have in order to identify opening a window as being an action of a moral leader in this activity? Perhaps you will explain how an emotion locates an action in relation to an activity. This is not how I read Manfred's article. Martin On Mar 21, 2013, at 6:45 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote: > Think of your illustration,Martin, about whether, in opening the window, you were acting as a technician or moral leader. I.e., the meaning of the action lies in the activity of which it is a part, which is not immediately given. Manfred does not refer this to "intention" or "belief". Manfred is quite specific that the signalising and self-perception of an action in relation to an activity - i.e., an action's being of this and not that activity - is a function played by emotion. Concepts like internal state and intention are derivative from operation/action/activity, not fundamental. > > Andy > > Martin Packer wrote: >> Hi Mike, >> >> Yes, I'm not clear how exactly Manfred is proposing that emotions regulate an activity system. I can see that they can regulate an activity in the everyday sense. >> >> Martin >> >> On Mar 21, 2013, at 2:45 PM, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >>> My reading is very similar to yours, Martin. I wonder though, in both your >>> quotation from Manfred and elsewhere in the article about how consistently >>> the word, activity, is used. In your quoted example, is activity the word >>> of choice, or action? This question relates to Andy's earlier invocation of >>> operation/action/ activity. >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> On Sunday, March 17, 2013, Martin Packer wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Perhaps it's helpful to add that emotions are classic System X processes, >>>> especially at the start of ontogenesis. As Holodynski says, "emotions have >>>> an activity regulating function." What he then offers, on my reading, is a >>>> detailed account of how over the course of ontogenesis System C comes to >>>> play a role in emotionality. Key to this at the start of ontogenesis is >>>> that the dependence of an infant on adult caregivers means that the link >>>> between need and satisfaction must pass through the adult. The adults' >>>> interpretations of the infant's emotion signals thus mediate the outcome. >>>> This provides the (social) condition for (individual) development. >>>> >>>> At the other end of the ontogenetic trajectory - well, we had a discussion >>>> recently about LSV's analysis of the way a cultural artifact -- a play. for >>>> example - can educate the emotions. >>>> >>>> Martin >>>> >>>> >>>> __________________________________________ >>>> _____ >>>> xmca mailing list >>>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu <javascript:;> >>>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >>>> >>>> >>> __________________________________________ >>> _____ >>> xmca mailing list >>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >>> >>> >> >> >> __________________________________________ >> _____ >> xmca mailing list >> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >> >> >> > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *Andy Blunden* > Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/ > Book: http://www.brill.nl/concepts > http://marxists.academia.edu/AndyBlunden > > __________________________________________ > _____ > xmca mailing list > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca > __________________________________________ _____ xmca mailing list xmca@weber.ucsd.edu http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca