Re: [xmca] Roles and persons

[Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com>]

On 21 January 2013 22:36, <greg.a.thompson@gmail.com> wrote:

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> On Jan 21, 2013, at 10:15 AM, Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Well, my tentative learning is that motivational affect is a function of
> > identified social role.  It is not simply a case of obtaining the
> > competency, but of presenting and relating oneself as the social
> interface
> > or medium for such a role, which thereby exercises a behavioural
> > (unconscious) "pull" rather than a purely goal driven "push".  Such that
> > one is "happy in the clothes" of the role.
> >
> > Huw
>
> Or maybe not. Cf. goffman's notion of role distance or his idea of
> person-role formulas.
> Motivation must be More than JUST roles...
>
>
The way I understand it, it isn't just roles; it's a social disposition.

And it's not an explanation as such, but an indication of embedding concept
formation within social realization (or not) and particular kinds of affect.

Bozhovich reads somewhat like an account of elder/single child in which
foreign ground is regularly encountered.  Rather than the experience of
taking it for granted that you go to school and find interesting or
challenging problems to present  -- differences in basic assumptions of
what "going to school" means, or where the novel territory is.

Which is one of the reasons I'm interested in her metrics.  A conventional
questionnaire would miss the point -- one would have to present the
"question" and then observe what the children do, rather than say.

So, no fear of too much simplification.  :)

Huw



> Greg
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> >> mike
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> >>> Mike, Lubovsky in, "The Concept of Internal Position", cites numerous
> >>> dissertations undertaken as part of his research.  All the references
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> >>> in Russian.
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> >>> My impression, from a first reading, is that his use of it has drifted
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> >>> Bozhovich's elaboration in "The Social Situation of Child Development".
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> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Huw
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> >>> On 21 January 2013 15:49, Martin Packer <packer@duq.edu> wrote:
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> >>>> Dunno about measurement, Huw. But "internal positioning" is defined
> >> here.
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> >>>> Martin
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> >>>> On Jan 21, 2013, at 9:28 AM, Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
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> >>>>> Can anyone point me to English translations or uses of Bozhovich's
> >>>>> "Internal Position" being operationalized, please,  i.e. how IP is
> >>>> measured?
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> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>> Huw
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