Re: [xmca] Bozhovich's Internal Position

[Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com>]

On 21 January 2013 17:27, Martin Packer <packer@duq.edu> wrote:

> Except "role" only works for children above a certain age. Infants and
> toddlers have no understanding of social role. Arguably preschool age
> children are beginning to work out this kind of 'institutional fact' in
> their play. School kids get heavy exposure to the roles of the classroom,
> of course.
>
>
I think this is part of the drift I was picking up.  The "role of the
schoolchild" as opposed to the role as a social participant that the
schooling facilitates.

In similar consideration to Peter I question whether role needs to be
explicit.  Our 20 month year old is quite emphatic that I should take my
hat, jacket and shoes off when I arrive home.

Huw





> Martin
>
> On Jan 21, 2013, at 12:15 PM, Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 21 January 2013 16:44, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Its interesting that you bring this back to the issue of social situation
> >>> of development which pops up in xmca conversations
> >>> from time to time.The two would, if I understand matters approximately
> >>> correctly, have to constitute a coupled system. But how loose the
> >> coupling,
> >>> how plastic the system?
> >>>
> >>
> >
> > Well, my tentative learning is that motivational affect is a function of
> > identified social role.  It is not simply a case of obtaining the
> > competency, but of presenting and relating oneself as the social
> interface
> > or medium for such a role, which thereby exercises a behavioural
> > (unconscious) "pull" rather than a purely goal driven "push".  Such that
> > one is "happy in the clothes" of the role.
> >
> > Huw
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> mike
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Mike, Lubovsky in, "The Concept of Internal Position", cites numerous
> >>> dissertations undertaken as part of his research.  All the references
> are
> >>> in Russian.
> >>>
> >>> My impression, from a first reading, is that his use of it has drifted
> >> from
> >>> Bozhovich's elaboration in "The Social Situation of Child Development".
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Huw
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 21 January 2013 15:49, Martin Packer <packer@duq.edu> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Dunno about measurement, Huw. But "internal positioning" is defined
> >> here.
> >>>>
> >>>> Martin
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jan 21, 2013, at 9:28 AM, Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Can anyone point me to English translations or uses of Bozhovich's
> >>>>> "Internal Position" being operationalized, please,  i.e. how IP is
> >>>> measured?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>> Huw
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