Re: [xmca] Bozhovich's Internal Position

[Martin Packer <packer@duq.edu>]

Except "role" only works for children above a certain age. Infants and toddlers have no understanding of social role. Arguably preschool age children are beginning to work out this kind of 'institutional fact' in their play. School kids get heavy exposure to the roles of the classroom, of course.

Martin

On Jan 21, 2013, at 12:15 PM, Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 21 January 2013 16:44, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Its interesting that you bring this back to the issue of social situation
>>> of development which pops up in xmca conversations
>>> from time to time.The two would, if I understand matters approximately
>>> correctly, have to constitute a coupled system. But how loose the
>> coupling,
>>> how plastic the system?
>>> 
>> 
> 
> Well, my tentative learning is that motivational affect is a function of
> identified social role.  It is not simply a case of obtaining the
> competency, but of presenting and relating oneself as the social interface
> or medium for such a role, which thereby exercises a behavioural
> (unconscious) "pull" rather than a purely goal driven "push".  Such that
> one is "happy in the clothes" of the role.
> 
> Huw
> 
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>> mike
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>>> Mike, Lubovsky in, "The Concept of Internal Position", cites numerous
>>> dissertations undertaken as part of his research.  All the references are
>>> in Russian.
>>> 
>>> My impression, from a first reading, is that his use of it has drifted
>> from
>>> Bozhovich's elaboration in "The Social Situation of Child Development".
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Huw
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 21 January 2013 15:49, Martin Packer <packer@duq.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Dunno about measurement, Huw. But "internal positioning" is defined
>> here.
>>>> 
>>>> Martin
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 21, 2013, at 9:28 AM, Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Can anyone point me to English translations or uses of Bozhovich's
>>>>> "Internal Position" being operationalized, please,  i.e. how IP is
>>>> measured?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Huw
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