Re: [xmca] Francois Cooren

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On 5 June 2012 21:54, Greg Thompson <greg.a.thompson@gmail.com> wrote: > Huw, thanks for the return to Montreal. > > Yeah, I am a fan of processual views that favor relations over substance, > and in that way of thinking, "organizations" are not essential things > (elements), but exist only in and by the processes the constitute them. > Communication is the primary means by which these organizations are > (re)produced, and that is where I am optimistic about the MSOC's approach. > > As for your question about "thoughts around the distribution of > appreciating different problems in the process of emerging roles?", I must > confess that I don't follow the question. I don't know the MSOC school well > enough to recognize their language, so maybe you are using their language? > No, my own words. Problems within the remit of the organizational activity which are not traversed (avoided), i.e. an implicit delimitation of what is and isn't the 'site'. It's not a big deal. Huw > > Some clarification of the question would be helpful to me. > -greg > > On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 5:26 AM, Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > On 5 June 2012 04:56, Joseph Gilbert <joeg4us@roadrunner.com> wrote: > > > > Greg, > > > > Re your Montreal question, did you have any thoughts around the > > distribution of appreciating different problems in the process of > emerging > > roles? On a smaller, and perhaps simpler, scale I recall situations > where > > problems had been setup for children to stumble upon, but that were > > seemingly not registered by them. A difficult problem left standing > would > > amount to... what? A conversation and vocabulary around site boundaries? > > > > The suggestion that 'communication is the "site and surface" of > > organizations' seems productive, though I'm not taking this as > > comprehensive, rather as a reference to communicational exchange. If we > > want to be comprehensive then I think we need to include the > organisational > > behaviour within the circumference of communication. > > > > Huw > > > > > > > > > > Joseph > > > > > > On Jun 4, 2012, at 5:01 PM, Huw Lloyd wrote: > > > > > > > They're of no consequence for those deaf to reason. ;) > > > > > > > > Huw > > > > > > > > On 4 June 2012 10:53, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote: > > > > > > > >> And here's about deaf-blind people: > > > >> > http://www.marxists.org/**archive/meshcheryakov/**awakening/index.htm > > < > > > http://www.marxists.org/archive/meshcheryakov/awakening/index.htm> > > > >> > > > >> Andy > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Peter Smagorinsky wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> According to Gallaudet University (which is for deaf people), > > > >>> http://research.gallaudet.edu/**Demographics/deaf-US.php< > > > http://research.gallaudet.edu/Demographics/deaf-US.php> > > > >>> There are a number of listings of deaf people of influence, e.g., > > > >>> http://www.start-american-** > > > sign-language.com/famous-deaf-**people.html< > > > http://www.start-american-sign-language.com/famous-deaf-people.html> > > > >>> http://www.op97.org/teach-**learn/documents/**PeopleWhoAreDeaf.pdf > < > > > http://www.op97.org/teach-learn/documents/PeopleWhoAreDeaf.pdf> > > > >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**List_of_deaf_people< > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deaf_people> > > > >>> http://www.deafpeople.com/ > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> -----Original Message----- > > > >>> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.** > > > ucsd.edu<xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu>] > > > >>> On Behalf Of Joseph Gilbert > > > >>> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 6:12 PM > > > >>> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity > > > >>> Subject: Re: [xmca] Francois Cooren > > > >>> > > > >>> Peter, > > > >>> What percentage of any population is deaf and what influence do > they > > > >>> exert upon the world-view of their society? > > > >>> > > > >>> Joseph > > > >>> > > > >>> On Jun 3, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Peter Smagorinsky wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>> I also wonder, what about deaf people? > > > >>>> > > > >>>> -----Original Message----- > > > >>>> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca- > > > bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] > > > >>>> On Behalf Of Vera John-Steiner > > > >>>> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 5:54 PM > > > >>>> To: 'eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity' > > > >>>> Subject: RE: [xmca] Francois Cooren > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Hi Joseph > > > >>>> I wonder whether the ultimate finality of the word--"everything is > > > >>>> relative to the word"--provides a too narrow, monistic view. > > > >>>> Euclidean geometry is rich in proofs which are presented through > > > visual > > > >>>> abstraction. These can be explained verbally but their persuasive > > > power is > > > >>>> visual. > > > >>>> This is an interesting though wandering discussion from toes to > > > Euclid. > > > >>>> Vera > > > >>>> -----Original Message----- > > > >>>> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca- > > > bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] > > > >>>> On Behalf Of Joseph Gilbert > > > >>>> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 3:32 PM > > > >>>> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity > > > >>>> Subject: Re: [xmca] Francois Cooren > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Nothing communicates as profoundly as vocal sounds, - motions of > the > > > >>>> human body -. Everything is named, - identified -, by sounds made > by > > > our > > > >>>> body. Our own body-emotional goings on is the currency by which > all > > > else is > > > >>>> valued. We relate to our world with our word. > > > >>>> Everything is reletive to the word. The "final word" on anything > IS > > > the > > > >>>> word. > > > >>>> The only handle we have on the meaning of our world is the effect > on > > > us > > > >>>> of the sounds of our words. We can prove nothing and can only feel > > our > > > >>>> vocal sounds for information of how we are affected by things. It > > > takes > > > >>>> different words to communicate different information. Bear in mind > > > that > > > >>>> words are fundamentally sounds and secondarily, referential tools. > > > When we > > > >>>> refer to a thing, the referential tool is between ourselves and > the > > > thing. > > > >>>> We perceive and are affected by the tool - the word - first and > > > foremost > > > >>>> and then also by the thought of the referred-to thing. > Subliminally, > > > the > > > >>>> word defines the thing: > > > >>>> Consciously, the thing defines the word. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Joseph Gilbert > > > >>>> > > > >>>> On Jun 2, 2012, at 8:59 PM, Greg Thompson wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> Anyone out there know much about Francois Cooren or the Montreal > > > School > > > >>>>> of Organizational Communication? > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> As for the former, Cooren's book Action and Agency in Dialogue > > asks: > > > >>>>> "What if human interactants were not the only ones to be > > considered, > > > >>>>> paraphrasing Austin (1962), as "doing things with words"? That > is, > > > what if > > > >>>>> other "things" could also be granted the status of agents in a > > > dialogical > > > >>>>> situation?" > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> As for the latter, the MSOC is characterized by wikipedia as: > > > >>>>> "taking communication as the "site and surface" of organizations, > > > >>>>> meaning that the latter emerge from and are maintained by > > > communication > > > >>>>> processes." > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Both of these seem to be very important points that, I thought, > > > >>>>> articulate well with recent XMCA conversations. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Anyone have any insight? > > > >>>>> Perhaps a recommendation? > > > >>>>> -greg > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> -- > > > >>>>> Gregory A. Thompson, Ph.D. > > > >>>>> Sanford I. Berman Post-Doctoral Scholar Laboratory of Comparative > > > Human > > > >>>>> Cognition Department of Communication University of California, > San > > > Diego > > > >>>>> http://ucsd.academia.edu/**GregoryThompson< > > > http://ucsd.academia.edu/GregoryThompson> > > > >>>>> ______________________________**____________ > > > >>>>> _____ > > > >>>>> xmca mailing list > > > >>>>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > > > >>>>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca< > > > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> ______________________________**____________ > > > >>>> _____ > > > >>>> xmca mailing list > > > >>>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > > > >>>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca< > > > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> ______________________________**____________ > > > >>>> _____ > > > >>>> xmca mailing list > > > >>>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > > > >>>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca< > > > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> ______________________________**____________ > > > >>>> _____ > > > >>>> xmca mailing list > > > >>>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > > > >>>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca< > > > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > >>> ______________________________**____________ > > > >>> _____ > > > >>> xmca mailing list > > > >>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > > > >>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca< > > > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> ______________________________**____________ > > > >>> _____ > > > >>> xmca mailing list > > > >>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > > > >>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca< > > > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> -- > > > >> ------------------------------**------------------------------** > > > >> ------------ > > > >> *Andy Blunden* > > > >> Joint Editor MCA: http://www.tandfonline.com/**toc/hmca20/18/1< > > > http://www.tandfonline.com/toc/hmca20/18/1> > > > >> Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/ > > > >> Book: http://www.brill.nl/concepts > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> ______________________________**____________ > > > >> _____ > > > >> xmca mailing list > > > >> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > > > >> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca< > > > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca> > > > >> > > > > __________________________________________ > > > > _____ > > > > xmca mailing list > > > > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > > > > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca > > > > > > __________________________________________ > > > _____ > > > xmca mailing list > > > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > > > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca > > > > > __________________________________________ > > _____ > > xmca mailing list > > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca > > > > > > -- > Gregory A. 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