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Re: [xmca] Francois Cooren



Dear Huw:
Seems I was misunderstood. The fact that there are deaf people does not make a fly in the ointment. The culture is established by those who do hear, - the 99.99% -. How do you imagine/think spoken-word language influences human world-view?

		Joseph

On Jun 4, 2012, at 5:01 PM, Huw Lloyd wrote:

> They're of no consequence for those deaf to reason.  ;)
> 
> Huw
> 
> On 4 June 2012 10:53, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:
> 
>> And here's about deaf-blind people:
>> http://www.marxists.org/**archive/meshcheryakov/**awakening/index.htm<http://www.marxists.org/archive/meshcheryakov/awakening/index.htm>
>> 
>> Andy
>> 
>> 
>> Peter Smagorinsky wrote:
>> 
>>> According to Gallaudet University (which is for deaf people),
>>> http://research.gallaudet.edu/**Demographics/deaf-US.php<http://research.gallaudet.edu/Demographics/deaf-US.php>
>>> There are a number of listings of deaf people of influence, e.g.,
>>> http://www.start-american-**sign-language.com/famous-deaf-**people.html<http://www.start-american-sign-language.com/famous-deaf-people.html>
>>> http://www.op97.org/teach-**learn/documents/**PeopleWhoAreDeaf.pdf<http://www.op97.org/teach-learn/documents/PeopleWhoAreDeaf.pdf>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**List_of_deaf_people<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deaf_people>
>>> http://www.deafpeople.com/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.**ucsd.edu<xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu>]
>>> On Behalf Of Joseph Gilbert
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 6:12 PM
>>> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>>> Subject: Re: [xmca] Francois Cooren
>>> 
>>> Peter,
>>> What percentage of any population is deaf and what influence do they
>>> exert upon the world-view of their society?
>>> 
>>>               Joseph
>>> 
>>> On Jun 3, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Peter Smagorinsky wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> I also wonder, what about deaf people?
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca- bounces@weber.ucsd.edu]
>>>> On Behalf Of Vera John-Steiner
>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 5:54 PM
>>>> To: 'eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity'
>>>> Subject: RE: [xmca] Francois Cooren
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Joseph
>>>> I wonder whether the ultimate finality of the word--"everything is
>>>> relative to the word"--provides a too narrow, monistic view.
>>>> Euclidean geometry is rich in proofs which are presented through visual
>>>> abstraction. These can be explained verbally but their persuasive power is
>>>> visual.
>>>> This is an interesting though wandering discussion from toes to Euclid.
>>>> Vera
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca- bounces@weber.ucsd.edu]
>>>> On Behalf Of Joseph Gilbert
>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 3:32 PM
>>>> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>>>> Subject: Re: [xmca] Francois Cooren
>>>> 
>>>> Nothing communicates as profoundly as vocal sounds, - motions of the
>>>> human body -. Everything is named, - identified -, by sounds made by our
>>>> body. Our own body-emotional goings on is the currency by which all else is
>>>> valued. We relate to our world with our word.
>>>> Everything is reletive to the word. The "final word" on anything IS the
>>>> word.
>>>> The only handle we have on the meaning of our world is the effect on us
>>>> of the sounds of our words. We can prove nothing and can only feel our
>>>> vocal sounds for information of how we are affected by things. It takes
>>>> different words to communicate different information. Bear in mind that
>>>> words are fundamentally sounds and secondarily, referential tools. When we
>>>> refer to a thing, the referential tool is between ourselves and the thing.
>>>> We perceive and are affected by the tool - the word - first and foremost
>>>> and then also by the thought of the referred-to thing. Subliminally, the
>>>> word defines the thing:
>>>> Consciously, the thing defines the word.
>>>> 
>>>>               Joseph Gilbert
>>>> 
>>>> On Jun 2, 2012, at 8:59 PM, Greg Thompson wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Anyone out there know much about Francois Cooren or the Montreal School
>>>>> of Organizational Communication?
>>>>> 
>>>>> As for the former, Cooren's book Action and Agency in Dialogue asks:
>>>>> "What if human interactants were not the only ones to be considered,
>>>>> paraphrasing Austin (1962), as "doing things with words"? That is, what if
>>>>> other "things" could also be granted the status of agents in a dialogical
>>>>> situation?"
>>>>> 
>>>>> As for the latter, the MSOC is characterized by wikipedia as:
>>>>> "taking communication as the "site and surface" of organizations,
>>>>> meaning that the latter emerge from and are maintained by communication
>>>>> processes."
>>>>> 
>>>>> Both of these seem to be very important points that, I thought,
>>>>> articulate well with recent XMCA conversations.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Anyone have any insight?
>>>>> Perhaps a recommendation?
>>>>> -greg
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Gregory A. Thompson, Ph.D.
>>>>> Sanford I. Berman Post-Doctoral Scholar Laboratory of Comparative Human
>>>>> Cognition Department of Communication University of California, San Diego
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