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Dear Huw: Seems I was misunderstood. The fact that there are deaf people does not make a fly in the ointment. The culture is established by those who do hear, - the 99.99% -. How do you imagine/think spoken-word language influences human world-view? Joseph On Jun 4, 2012, at 5:01 PM, Huw Lloyd wrote: > They're of no consequence for those deaf to reason. ;) > > Huw > > On 4 June 2012 10:53, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote: > >> And here's about deaf-blind people: >> http://www.marxists.org/**archive/meshcheryakov/**awakening/index.htm<http://www.marxists.org/archive/meshcheryakov/awakening/index.htm> >> >> Andy >> >> >> Peter Smagorinsky wrote: >> >>> According to Gallaudet University (which is for deaf people), >>> http://research.gallaudet.edu/**Demographics/deaf-US.php<http://research.gallaudet.edu/Demographics/deaf-US.php> >>> There are a number of listings of deaf people of influence, e.g., >>> http://www.start-american-**sign-language.com/famous-deaf-**people.html<http://www.start-american-sign-language.com/famous-deaf-people.html> >>> http://www.op97.org/teach-**learn/documents/**PeopleWhoAreDeaf.pdf<http://www.op97.org/teach-learn/documents/PeopleWhoAreDeaf.pdf> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**List_of_deaf_people<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deaf_people> >>> http://www.deafpeople.com/ >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.**ucsd.edu<xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu>] >>> On Behalf Of Joseph Gilbert >>> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 6:12 PM >>> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity >>> Subject: Re: [xmca] Francois Cooren >>> >>> Peter, >>> What percentage of any population is deaf and what influence do they >>> exert upon the world-view of their society? >>> >>> Joseph >>> >>> On Jun 3, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Peter Smagorinsky wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> I also wonder, what about deaf people? >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca- bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] >>>> On Behalf Of Vera John-Steiner >>>> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 5:54 PM >>>> To: 'eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity' >>>> Subject: RE: [xmca] Francois Cooren >>>> >>>> Hi Joseph >>>> I wonder whether the ultimate finality of the word--"everything is >>>> relative to the word"--provides a too narrow, monistic view. >>>> Euclidean geometry is rich in proofs which are presented through visual >>>> abstraction. These can be explained verbally but their persuasive power is >>>> visual. >>>> This is an interesting though wandering discussion from toes to Euclid. >>>> Vera >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca- bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] >>>> On Behalf Of Joseph Gilbert >>>> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 3:32 PM >>>> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity >>>> Subject: Re: [xmca] Francois Cooren >>>> >>>> Nothing communicates as profoundly as vocal sounds, - motions of the >>>> human body -. Everything is named, - identified -, by sounds made by our >>>> body. Our own body-emotional goings on is the currency by which all else is >>>> valued. We relate to our world with our word. >>>> Everything is reletive to the word. The "final word" on anything IS the >>>> word. >>>> The only handle we have on the meaning of our world is the effect on us >>>> of the sounds of our words. We can prove nothing and can only feel our >>>> vocal sounds for information of how we are affected by things. It takes >>>> different words to communicate different information. Bear in mind that >>>> words are fundamentally sounds and secondarily, referential tools. When we >>>> refer to a thing, the referential tool is between ourselves and the thing. >>>> We perceive and are affected by the tool - the word - first and foremost >>>> and then also by the thought of the referred-to thing. Subliminally, the >>>> word defines the thing: >>>> Consciously, the thing defines the word. >>>> >>>> Joseph Gilbert >>>> >>>> On Jun 2, 2012, at 8:59 PM, Greg Thompson wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Anyone out there know much about Francois Cooren or the Montreal School >>>>> of Organizational Communication? >>>>> >>>>> As for the former, Cooren's book Action and Agency in Dialogue asks: >>>>> "What if human interactants were not the only ones to be considered, >>>>> paraphrasing Austin (1962), as "doing things with words"? That is, what if >>>>> other "things" could also be granted the status of agents in a dialogical >>>>> situation?" >>>>> >>>>> As for the latter, the MSOC is characterized by wikipedia as: >>>>> "taking communication as the "site and surface" of organizations, >>>>> meaning that the latter emerge from and are maintained by communication >>>>> processes." >>>>> >>>>> Both of these seem to be very important points that, I thought, >>>>> articulate well with recent XMCA conversations. >>>>> >>>>> Anyone have any insight? >>>>> Perhaps a recommendation? >>>>> -greg >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Gregory A. Thompson, Ph.D. >>>>> Sanford I. Berman Post-Doctoral Scholar Laboratory of Comparative Human >>>>> Cognition Department of Communication University of California, San Diego >>>>> http://ucsd.academia.edu/**GregoryThompson<http://ucsd.academia.edu/GregoryThompson> >>>>> ______________________________**____________ >>>>> _____ >>>>> xmca mailing list >>>>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>>>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca<http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> ______________________________**____________ >>>> _____ >>>> xmca mailing list >>>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca<http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca> >>>> >>>> ______________________________**____________ >>>> _____ >>>> xmca mailing list >>>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca<http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca> >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________**____________ >>>> _____ >>>> xmca mailing list >>>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca<http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> ______________________________**____________ >>> _____ >>> xmca mailing list >>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca<http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**____________ >>> _____ >>> xmca mailing list >>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca<http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> ------------------------------**------------------------------** >> ------------ >> *Andy Blunden* >> Joint Editor MCA: http://www.tandfonline.com/**toc/hmca20/18/1<http://www.tandfonline.com/toc/hmca20/18/1> >> Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/ >> Book: http://www.brill.nl/concepts >> >> >> ______________________________**____________ >> _____ >> xmca mailing list >> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca<http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca> >> > __________________________________________ > _____ > xmca mailing list > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca __________________________________________ _____ xmca mailing list xmca@weber.ucsd.edu http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca