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Re: [xmca] Francois Cooren
On 5 June 2012 04:56, Joseph Gilbert <joeg4us@roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Huw:
> Seems I was misunderstood. The fact that there are deaf people does not
> make a fly in the ointment. The culture is established by those who do
> hear, - the 99.99% -. How do you imagine/think spoken-word language
> influences human world-view?
>
I imagine that one acquires a skill in construing, which is reflected in
questions, that one learns an etiquette: one learns how to cultivate a
curiosity in self and others.
Greg,
Re your Montreal question, did you have any thoughts around the
distribution of appreciating different problems in the process of emerging
roles? On a smaller, and perhaps simpler, scale I recall situations where
problems had been setup for children to stumble upon, but that were
seemingly not registered by them. A difficult problem left standing would
amount to... what? A conversation and vocabulary around site boundaries?
The suggestion that 'communication is the "site and surface" of
organizations' seems productive, though I'm not taking this as
comprehensive, rather as a reference to communicational exchange. If we
want to be comprehensive then I think we need to include the organisational
behaviour within the circumference of communication.
Huw
>
> Joseph
>
> On Jun 4, 2012, at 5:01 PM, Huw Lloyd wrote:
>
> > They're of no consequence for those deaf to reason. ;)
> >
> > Huw
> >
> > On 4 June 2012 10:53, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:
> >
> >> And here's about deaf-blind people:
> >> http://www.marxists.org/**archive/meshcheryakov/**awakening/index.htm<
> http://www.marxists.org/archive/meshcheryakov/awakening/index.htm>
> >>
> >> Andy
> >>
> >>
> >> Peter Smagorinsky wrote:
> >>
> >>> According to Gallaudet University (which is for deaf people),
> >>> http://research.gallaudet.edu/**Demographics/deaf-US.php<
> http://research.gallaudet.edu/Demographics/deaf-US.php>
> >>> There are a number of listings of deaf people of influence, e.g.,
> >>> http://www.start-american-**
> sign-language.com/famous-deaf-**people.html<
> http://www.start-american-sign-language.com/famous-deaf-people.html>
> >>> http://www.op97.org/teach-**learn/documents/**PeopleWhoAreDeaf.pdf<
> http://www.op97.org/teach-learn/documents/PeopleWhoAreDeaf.pdf>
> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**List_of_deaf_people<
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deaf_people>
> >>> http://www.deafpeople.com/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.**
> ucsd.edu<xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu>]
> >>> On Behalf Of Joseph Gilbert
> >>> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 6:12 PM
> >>> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> >>> Subject: Re: [xmca] Francois Cooren
> >>>
> >>> Peter,
> >>> What percentage of any population is deaf and what influence do they
> >>> exert upon the world-view of their society?
> >>>
> >>> Joseph
> >>>
> >>> On Jun 3, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Peter Smagorinsky wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> I also wonder, what about deaf people?
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-
> bounces@weber.ucsd.edu]
> >>>> On Behalf Of Vera John-Steiner
> >>>> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 5:54 PM
> >>>> To: 'eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity'
> >>>> Subject: RE: [xmca] Francois Cooren
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Joseph
> >>>> I wonder whether the ultimate finality of the word--"everything is
> >>>> relative to the word"--provides a too narrow, monistic view.
> >>>> Euclidean geometry is rich in proofs which are presented through
> visual
> >>>> abstraction. These can be explained verbally but their persuasive
> power is
> >>>> visual.
> >>>> This is an interesting though wandering discussion from toes to
> Euclid.
> >>>> Vera
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-
> bounces@weber.ucsd.edu]
> >>>> On Behalf Of Joseph Gilbert
> >>>> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 3:32 PM
> >>>> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> >>>> Subject: Re: [xmca] Francois Cooren
> >>>>
> >>>> Nothing communicates as profoundly as vocal sounds, - motions of the
> >>>> human body -. Everything is named, - identified -, by sounds made by
> our
> >>>> body. Our own body-emotional goings on is the currency by which all
> else is
> >>>> valued. We relate to our world with our word.
> >>>> Everything is reletive to the word. The "final word" on anything IS
> the
> >>>> word.
> >>>> The only handle we have on the meaning of our world is the effect on
> us
> >>>> of the sounds of our words. We can prove nothing and can only feel our
> >>>> vocal sounds for information of how we are affected by things. It
> takes
> >>>> different words to communicate different information. Bear in mind
> that
> >>>> words are fundamentally sounds and secondarily, referential tools.
> When we
> >>>> refer to a thing, the referential tool is between ourselves and the
> thing.
> >>>> We perceive and are affected by the tool - the word - first and
> foremost
> >>>> and then also by the thought of the referred-to thing. Subliminally,
> the
> >>>> word defines the thing:
> >>>> Consciously, the thing defines the word.
> >>>>
> >>>> Joseph Gilbert
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jun 2, 2012, at 8:59 PM, Greg Thompson wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Anyone out there know much about Francois Cooren or the Montreal
> School
> >>>>> of Organizational Communication?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As for the former, Cooren's book Action and Agency in Dialogue asks:
> >>>>> "What if human interactants were not the only ones to be considered,
> >>>>> paraphrasing Austin (1962), as "doing things with words"? That is,
> what if
> >>>>> other "things" could also be granted the status of agents in a
> dialogical
> >>>>> situation?"
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As for the latter, the MSOC is characterized by wikipedia as:
> >>>>> "taking communication as the "site and surface" of organizations,
> >>>>> meaning that the latter emerge from and are maintained by
> communication
> >>>>> processes."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Both of these seem to be very important points that, I thought,
> >>>>> articulate well with recent XMCA conversations.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Anyone have any insight?
> >>>>> Perhaps a recommendation?
> >>>>> -greg
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Gregory A. Thompson, Ph.D.
> >>>>> Sanford I. Berman Post-Doctoral Scholar Laboratory of Comparative
> Human
> >>>>> Cognition Department of Communication University of California, San
> Diego
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> >> *Andy Blunden*
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