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On 5 June 2012 04:56, Joseph Gilbert <joeg4us@roadrunner.com> wrote: > > Dear Huw: > Seems I was misunderstood. The fact that there are deaf people does not > make a fly in the ointment. The culture is established by those who do > hear, - the 99.99% -. How do you imagine/think spoken-word language > influences human world-view? > I imagine that one acquires a skill in construing, which is reflected in questions, that one learns an etiquette: one learns how to cultivate a curiosity in self and others. Greg, Re your Montreal question, did you have any thoughts around the distribution of appreciating different problems in the process of emerging roles? On a smaller, and perhaps simpler, scale I recall situations where problems had been setup for children to stumble upon, but that were seemingly not registered by them. A difficult problem left standing would amount to... what? A conversation and vocabulary around site boundaries? The suggestion that 'communication is the "site and surface" of organizations' seems productive, though I'm not taking this as comprehensive, rather as a reference to communicational exchange. If we want to be comprehensive then I think we need to include the organisational behaviour within the circumference of communication. Huw > > Joseph > > On Jun 4, 2012, at 5:01 PM, Huw Lloyd wrote: > > > They're of no consequence for those deaf to reason. ;) > > > > Huw > > > > On 4 June 2012 10:53, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote: > > > >> And here's about deaf-blind people: > >> http://www.marxists.org/**archive/meshcheryakov/**awakening/index.htm< > http://www.marxists.org/archive/meshcheryakov/awakening/index.htm> > >> > >> Andy > >> > >> > >> Peter Smagorinsky wrote: > >> > >>> According to Gallaudet University (which is for deaf people), > >>> http://research.gallaudet.edu/**Demographics/deaf-US.php< > http://research.gallaudet.edu/Demographics/deaf-US.php> > >>> There are a number of listings of deaf people of influence, e.g., > >>> http://www.start-american-** > sign-language.com/famous-deaf-**people.html< > http://www.start-american-sign-language.com/famous-deaf-people.html> > >>> http://www.op97.org/teach-**learn/documents/**PeopleWhoAreDeaf.pdf< > http://www.op97.org/teach-learn/documents/PeopleWhoAreDeaf.pdf> > >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**List_of_deaf_people< > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deaf_people> > >>> http://www.deafpeople.com/ > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.** > ucsd.edu<xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu>] > >>> On Behalf Of Joseph Gilbert > >>> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 6:12 PM > >>> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity > >>> Subject: Re: [xmca] Francois Cooren > >>> > >>> Peter, > >>> What percentage of any population is deaf and what influence do they > >>> exert upon the world-view of their society? > >>> > >>> Joseph > >>> > >>> On Jun 3, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Peter Smagorinsky wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> I also wonder, what about deaf people? > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca- > bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] > >>>> On Behalf Of Vera John-Steiner > >>>> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 5:54 PM > >>>> To: 'eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity' > >>>> Subject: RE: [xmca] Francois Cooren > >>>> > >>>> Hi Joseph > >>>> I wonder whether the ultimate finality of the word--"everything is > >>>> relative to the word"--provides a too narrow, monistic view. > >>>> Euclidean geometry is rich in proofs which are presented through > visual > >>>> abstraction. These can be explained verbally but their persuasive > power is > >>>> visual. > >>>> This is an interesting though wandering discussion from toes to > Euclid. > >>>> Vera > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca- > bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] > >>>> On Behalf Of Joseph Gilbert > >>>> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 3:32 PM > >>>> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity > >>>> Subject: Re: [xmca] Francois Cooren > >>>> > >>>> Nothing communicates as profoundly as vocal sounds, - motions of the > >>>> human body -. Everything is named, - identified -, by sounds made by > our > >>>> body. Our own body-emotional goings on is the currency by which all > else is > >>>> valued. We relate to our world with our word. > >>>> Everything is reletive to the word. The "final word" on anything IS > the > >>>> word. > >>>> The only handle we have on the meaning of our world is the effect on > us > >>>> of the sounds of our words. We can prove nothing and can only feel our > >>>> vocal sounds for information of how we are affected by things. It > takes > >>>> different words to communicate different information. Bear in mind > that > >>>> words are fundamentally sounds and secondarily, referential tools. > When we > >>>> refer to a thing, the referential tool is between ourselves and the > thing. > >>>> We perceive and are affected by the tool - the word - first and > foremost > >>>> and then also by the thought of the referred-to thing. Subliminally, > the > >>>> word defines the thing: > >>>> Consciously, the thing defines the word. > >>>> > >>>> Joseph Gilbert > >>>> > >>>> On Jun 2, 2012, at 8:59 PM, Greg Thompson wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Anyone out there know much about Francois Cooren or the Montreal > School > >>>>> of Organizational Communication? > >>>>> > >>>>> As for the former, Cooren's book Action and Agency in Dialogue asks: > >>>>> "What if human interactants were not the only ones to be considered, > >>>>> paraphrasing Austin (1962), as "doing things with words"? That is, > what if > >>>>> other "things" could also be granted the status of agents in a > dialogical > >>>>> situation?" > >>>>> > >>>>> As for the latter, the MSOC is characterized by wikipedia as: > >>>>> "taking communication as the "site and surface" of organizations, > >>>>> meaning that the latter emerge from and are maintained by > communication > >>>>> processes." > >>>>> > >>>>> Both of these seem to be very important points that, I thought, > >>>>> articulate well with recent XMCA conversations. > >>>>> > >>>>> Anyone have any insight? > >>>>> Perhaps a recommendation? > >>>>> -greg > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Gregory A. Thompson, Ph.D. > >>>>> Sanford I. Berman Post-Doctoral Scholar Laboratory of Comparative > Human > >>>>> Cognition Department of Communication University of California, San > Diego > >>>>> http://ucsd.academia.edu/**GregoryThompson< > http://ucsd.academia.edu/GregoryThompson> > >>>>> ______________________________**____________ > >>>>> _____ > >>>>> xmca mailing list > >>>>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > >>>>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca< > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> ______________________________**____________ > >>>> _____ > >>>> xmca mailing list > >>>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > >>>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca< > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca> > >>>> > >>>> ______________________________**____________ > >>>> _____ > >>>> xmca mailing list > >>>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > >>>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca< > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ______________________________**____________ > >>>> _____ > >>>> xmca mailing list > >>>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > >>>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca< > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> ______________________________**____________ > >>> _____ > >>> xmca mailing list > >>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > >>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca< > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca> > >>> > >>> > >>> ______________________________**____________ > >>> _____ > >>> xmca mailing list > >>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > >>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca< > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> ------------------------------**------------------------------** > >> ------------ > >> *Andy Blunden* > >> Joint Editor MCA: http://www.tandfonline.com/**toc/hmca20/18/1< > http://www.tandfonline.com/toc/hmca20/18/1> > >> Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/ > >> Book: http://www.brill.nl/concepts > >> > >> > >> ______________________________**____________ > >> _____ > >> xmca mailing list > >> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > >> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca< > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca> > >> > > __________________________________________ > > _____ > > xmca mailing list > > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca > > __________________________________________ > _____ > xmca mailing list > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca > __________________________________________ _____ xmca mailing list xmca@weber.ucsd.edu http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca