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RE: [xmca] Piaget in Vygotsky 1962
I haven't yet. My daughter was in a program listed at http://www.dramaplayconnection.com/ in her teens, and I'm guessing that the concepts overlap. Thanks for the tip. p
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Have you seen the Stephen Volan TED Talk? Taking improv courses at Second City transformed his way of being and understanding himself, as did his earlier diagnosis of Asperger's.
Just interested to know what you think of his talk/take.
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On Apr 7, 2012, at 12:33 PM, Peter Smagorinsky wrote:
> Greg, I'm puzzled by your autism observation. The increase in autism spectrum conditions (and by calling it a disorder, you buy into the deficit view of mental health difference) is generally attributed to better diagnostic efforts in light of continued research into mental health generally, including autism. I say this as someone on the spectrum (Asperger's syndrome, which runs in my family). I've had one paper published on this topic and have a couple more in press and a few more in the conceptual stage (awaiting time to write them). I'd be happy to share with others any of the following, if you write me off-list. I was supposed to give one at ISCAR but couldn't make the trip; I'll give another at AERA next weekend. p
> Smagorinsky, P. (2011). Confessions of a mad professor: An autoethnographic consideration of neuroatypicality, extranormativity, and education. Teachers College Record, 113, 1701-1732.
> Smagorinsky, P. (in press). Vygotsky, "defectology," and the inclusion of people of difference in the broader cultural stream. Journal of Language and Literacy Education.
> Smagorinsky, P. (in press). "Every individual has his own insanity": Applying Vygotsky's work on defectology to the question of mental health as an issue of inclusion. Learning, Culture and Social Interaction
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> From: firstname.lastname@example.org [mailto:email@example.com] On Behalf Of Greg Thompson
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> and perhaps the incredibly high rates of "Autism Spectrum Disorder"
> diagnosis in the U.S. is a sign of the times?
> [At the very least, it should be noted that it is a wonderful fit for the particular here and now that we inhabit (by ourselves?)].
> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Larry Purss <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
>> Thanks for the 2 versions of this response by Piaget.
>> I was interested in Piaget's comments on egocentrism [page 3] when he
>> was talking about unconscious preferential focusing and a lack of
>> differentiation of viewponts. He gives the example of the beginning
>> instructor who soon discovers that his first lectures were
>> incomprehensible because he was *talking to himself*, so to say,
>> mindful only of his own point of view. The second example Piaget gives
>> is developing the capacity to place oneself in the shoes of the other
>> [taking the point of view of one's partner] in order to convince the other *on his own ground*.
>> As I read Piaget's explanation of egocentrism [and its continuing
>> expression throughout the lifespan] I was wondering if this ability
>> [achievement?] to decenter and shift perspectives can be viewed as an
>> *art* form or a *skill* that requires certain dialogical *ways* of
>> This leads to further wondering if the *distortions* in our current
>> housing arrangements; for example how we are becoming more
>> *self*-contained and living *solo* [50% of all residences in New York
>> city are occupied by a single occupant] may be having the unintended
>> consequence that we may be loosing the *art* form of *social* reasoning.
>> I guess a counter argument could be made that living alone requires
>> *skill* in decentering as we are constantly thrown into novel
>> discursive situations.
>> Just wondering.
>> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 2:33 PM, David Kellogg
>>> Actually, the version up on the Marxists Internet Archive is missing
>>> a page and Parsons' translation, although good, is not complete in places.
>>> Here's a version we did, alongside the standard translation. The
>>> part of a discussion we had in our group when we were doing T&S in
>>> I didn't answer your last on Basov, mostly because I was trying to
>>> find some Basov beyod what was published in the JREEP myself.
>>> Besides that,
>>> only thing I know about Basov is the (generally very favorable)
>>> in HDHMF.
>>> What surprises me is that both Basov and Vygotsky are indebted to
>>> of all people, for the distinction between analysis into units and
>>> into elements! And where exactly did Vygotsky get the idea that
>>> behavior evolves just as organs do, if not from Lorenz and
>>> Tinbergen? It might be from Jennings, but in Jennings it's not
>>> exactly behavior itself that evolves; only the affordances of an organism's internal organs.
>>> David Kellogg
>>> Hankuk University of Foreign Studies
>>> --- On Fri, 4/6/12, mike cole <email@example.com> wrote:
>>> From: mike cole <firstname.lastname@example.org>
>>> Subject: [xmca] Piaget in Vygotsky 1962
>>> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture,Activity" <email@example.com>
>>> Date: Friday, April 6, 2012, 10:43 AM
>>> Does anyone have a copy of Piaget's piece on Thought and Language
>>> from 1962?
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