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Re: [xmca] varying definitions of perezhivanie



No, Andy, I think it was my hasty assignment of my Weber and Simmel comment
to this thread - I thought that this was the same thread as the Lektorsky
thread in which was being discussed the historical notion of "inner."

Too late to take it back, I suppose. Not sure if it is worth re-posting on
the other thread (my google mail arranges the threads for me so that I can
only see one or the other thread).

Apologies for the confusion...
-greg

On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 6:57 AM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:

> I fear that I may be responsible for causing confusion by introducing
> Vasilyuk's terms "inner world " and "outer world" without proper
> explanation. I will pick a few pages to scan over the weekend to give
> people a better idea.
>
> In the meantime, I think it would be fair to say that he characterises
> "inner world" by commitment to one or many projects or "life relations."
> Such projects are perfectly objective, but of course the conception of
> them, the commitment to them, their value and meaning is personal. All
> social life is both subjective and objective. The outer world he
> characterises as "easy" or "difficult" according to whether the projects to
> which a person is committed face obstacles or disasters that originate
> independently of the subject. EG a person's "inner world" may be
> characterised by their love for their wife and the outer world is
> characterised by the fact that their wife has just died. The subject is
> faced with a psychologically impossible situation. It might be resolved in
> a number of ways, ....
>
> So it's not the same as the "inner world" I think Simmel and Weber are
> talking about.
>
> Andy
>
> Greg Thompson wrote:
>
>> Further fleshing out "inner" and "outer," I came across these interesting
>> sources regarding Simmel's and Weber's take on inner and outer as a
>> historical development (Quoted directly from H. J. Jung's article in Ethos
>> (see refs below)):
>>
>> "Georg Simmel noted 'psychologism' as 'the essence of modernity,' by which
>> he meant 'the experiencing and interpretation of the world in terms of the
>> reaction of our inner life and indeed as inner world' (as described in
>> Cronan 2009: 91). Max Weber also observed psychologism as a feature of his
>> time. By the famous metaphor of an iron cage, Weber (1997) made a poignant
>> critique of Western rationalism, and argued elsewhere that the 'culture of
>> feeling' and 'inwardness' arose as one response to the modern condition
>> (Scaff 1987: 743). In Weber's interpretation, the 'specific and peculiar
>> rationalism of Western culture' (1997: 26) generates the specific and
>> peculiar kind of response, psychologism. The cultural significance of
>> capitalism, therefore, lay in the 'cultural discontents of modernity'
>> (Scaff 1987:740)."
>>
>>  Cronan, T. (2009). Georg Simmel’s Timeless Impressionism. *New German
>> Critique*, *36*(1 106), 83–101.
>>
>>
>> Jung, H. J. (2011). Why Be Authentic? Psychocultural Underpinnings of
>> Authenticity among Baby Boomers in the United States. *Ethos*, *39*(3),
>> 279-299. doi:10.1111/j.1548-1352.2011.**01194.x
>>
>> Scaff, L. A. (1991). *Fleeing the iron cage: culture, politics, and
>> modernity in the thought of Max Weber*. Univ of California Pr.
>>
>> Apparently a lot of folks were noticing this at the opening of the 19th
>> century.
>> All makes me wonder: what is life like without "inwardness"?
>> -greg
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 2:44 AM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Completely different, Haydi.
>>> "The Psychology of Experiencing" is really about how people manage crises
>>> in their lives and is structured mainly around the different types of
>>> inner
>>> and outer world.
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>>
>>> Haydi Zulfei wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> How close is this paper to Vasilyuk's "Psychology of Experiencing" ? In
>>>> 3
>>>> parts .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www2.derby.ac.uk/v-art/****vol-7-200708-international-****<http://www2.derby.ac.uk/v-art/**vol-7-200708-international-**>
>>>> arts-therapies-journal/72-****refereed-articles-/72-russian-****
>>>> technical-paper-of-psychology-****and-art-images<http://www2.**
>>>> derby.ac.uk/v-art/vol-7-**200708-international-arts-**
>>>> therapies-journal/72-refereed-**articles-/72-russian-**
>>>> technical-paper-of-psychology-**and-art-images<http://www2.derby.ac.uk/v-art/vol-7-200708-international-arts-therapies-journal/72-refereed-articles-/72-russian-technical-paper-of-psychology-and-art-images>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ______________________________****__
>>>>
>>>>  From: Christine Schweighart <schweighartc@gmail.com>
>>>> To: Haydi Zulfei <haydizulfei@rocketmail.com> Sent: Thursday, 12
>>>> January
>>>> 2012, 12:01:46
>>>> Subject: Re: [xmca] varying definitions of perezhivanie
>>>>
>>>> Dear Haydi,
>>>>  We could also contact Jack (actionresearch.net) - I've mentioned my
>>>> interest to him - but I think I would need to approach with a question
>>>> 'for
>>>> him'  he is working towards a concept of 'hope' and embodied values
>>>> currently . ( I would go back to contrast with 'hope' , Freire and -
>>>> (personally), nature of  'embodied' in actuality. Jack does draw
>>>> leverage
>>>> from  'biography' in his supervision.
>>>>
>>>> BTW I didn't intend to point to Petrovsky in particular, rather here
>>>> http://psyjournals.ru/en/****authors/a14747.shtml<http://psyjournals.ru/en/**authors/a14747.shtml>
>>>> <http://**psyjournals.ru/en/authors/**a14747.shtml<http://psyjournals.ru/en/authors/a14747.shtml>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>  Christine.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 5:57 PM, Haydi Zulfei <
>>>> haydizulfei@rocketmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear Christine
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for the message !
>>>>> To tell you the truth I did not know Vasilyuk is alive . It's Mike who
>>>>> knows all this . And it is not the first time vasilyuk's work and the
>>>>> 'perezhivanie' are being discussed as you can see from what Dot Robbins
>>>>> came up against very long ago (Notes on Perezhivanie-third link to the
>>>>> end)
>>>>> . Mike has also had his different denotational (literal) as well as
>>>>> connotational psychological features of the term , too . Andy maybe
>>>>> takes
>>>>> Michael Levikh back to that time . But you did a very good thing to
>>>>> introduce the 'scribd' version to us to read before Mike could give a
>>>>> push
>>>>> to all mechanical as well as technological devices and possibilities
>>>>> for a
>>>>> pdf version . Thanks really ! Amazon presents it with what we can call
>>>>> the
>>>>>  'juice of our personality' :-)  . Dollar here just not soars but
>>>>> really
>>>>> uproars ! You were lucky with that little book , dear .
>>>>> Yes , Vasilyuk happily proved to be alive . I sent him a message and
>>>>> unluckily conveyed the idea with full respect and rejoice . He is now
>>>>> charged with all kinds of responsibilities . We wish him great success
>>>>> . I
>>>>> asked him if he is still 'loyal' to his own writing . He has not
>>>>> provided a
>>>>> reply yet . What you found is included among and along some other
>>>>> articles
>>>>> in the first issue of the said journal . I don't know Russian and the
>>>>> translations are limited to the contents of the web pages .
>>>>> As about to the extent to which Jack Whitehead could approach himself
>>>>> to
>>>>> the 'activity theory proper' , there could be lots of debate . But I
>>>>> read
>>>>> it to the end and listened to the talks and ,between ourselves, there
>>>>> was a
>>>>> mother-tongue translation of Mandelstam's poem plus some other good
>>>>> things
>>>>> which looked a bit strange (unexpected) within that context . I have a
>>>>> political piece by a V.A.Petrovsky of whose identity I'm not sure .
>>>>> Psychologically speaking , Petrovsky is not a no fame name , by the
>>>>> way .
>>>>> Sorry for the unintentional excess talk !
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Haydi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ______________________________****__
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Christine Schweighart <schweighartc@gmail.com>
>>>>> To: Haydi Zulfei <haydizulfei@rocketmail.com>; "eXtended Mind,
>>>>> Culture,
>>>>> Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> Sent: Thursday, 12 January 2012,
>>>>> 6:56:18
>>>>>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [xmca] varying definitions of perezhivanie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Haydi,
>>>>>  Your first two links go to Jack Whitehead's work. I met Jack through
>>>>> his interpretation of 'living contradiction' - which in the conditions
>>>>> of
>>>>> educational practice becomes an agonistic problem-structuring around
>>>>> 'how
>>>>> can I? . For me this 'I' reflects conditions of practice where
>>>>> enquirers
>>>>> begin in an 'unempowered' reflection - not conditions of activity
>>>>> theoretical development. It is possible maybe that a journey can arise
>>>>> and
>>>>> expand from there....
>>>>>
>>>>> However, despite encountering Jack's work, i did not encounter Vasilyuk
>>>>> from his writing ar in discussion with him- rather I became interested
>>>>> in
>>>>> work I found appearing here as I express and  set out in a message to
>>>>> another who knew of him:
>>>>>  "I was looking on
>>>>> this database at the topics being worked on in this journal:
>>>>> http://psyjournals.ru/en/sps/****2011/n1/44335.shtml<http://psyjournals.ru/en/sps/**2011/n1/44335.shtml>
>>>>> <http://**psyjournals.ru/en/sps/2011/n1/**44335.shtml<http://psyjournals.ru/en/sps/2011/n1/44335.shtml>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>  Mainly because the website translates into english. I can't recall
>>>>> exactly how I focused on him in particular , but I went to his web
>>>>> page and the book title looked interesting, so I found it in a second
>>>>> hand bookshop. ( It has a dedication -by the author I think) £7.77.
>>>>> When it came I couldn't believe what I encounterd brought together -
>>>>> still haven't been able to read  it  'fully', as I want to notice what
>>>>> I
>>>>> notice (
>>>>> if you know what I mean - I don't want to 'lose' it).
>>>>> So I held back and then 'googled' him/the work - unbelievably I found
>>>>> Jack Whitehead had  been writing about him... That was the order of
>>>>> encounter. I did not read Jack's page - just enought to wonder if he
>>>>> grabbed a bit in a form useful to him at the time ( perhaps no harm -
>>>>> but potentially devastating if it's dissociated from its relations and
>>>>> future students etc will 'hit into it') - and that is not my interest
>>>>> [directly]...
>>>>>
>>>>>  My interest is to work through how he brings 'value' - not to follow
>>>>> him but to 'imagine' myself how that impacts the dynamics of  -motive
>>>>> ( and therefore all other relations) BUT this is to see if it explains
>>>>> my difficulty,  and I think  that will be productive."
>>>>>
>>>>> At that point I set out my question re biography to Andy- and I need to
>>>>> revisit that.
>>>>>  Christine
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Haydi Zulfei <
>>>>> haydizulfei@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Andy !  In my view , whom I always consider just as a naive
>>>>> reader , a very illuminating synopsis coming out  of a deep
>>>>> understanding
>>>>> of the 'activity theory' . The 'scribed' version though so much
>>>>> scrambled
>>>>> partially .
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Your synopsis caused me to google 'fyodor vasilyuk' . Some links came
>>>>>> up , three of which of likely interest . Forgive if redundancy is at
>>>>>> work !
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Haydi
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> e+%3Cb%3E...%3C%2Fb%3E&ex=&****url=&u=http://www.**
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> actionresearch.net/writings/****jack/jwVasilyuk220906.htm<http://actionresearch.net/writings/**jack/jwVasilyuk220906.htm>
>>>> <http**://www.actionresearch.net/**writings/jack/**jwVasilyuk220906.htm<http://www.actionresearch.net/writings/jack/jwVasilyuk220906.htm>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> %3E&ex=&url=&u=http://www.**ac**tionresearch.net/writings/**<http://actionresearch.net/writings/**>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> jack/jwdoctoralsupport0310.**htm<http://www.actionresearch.**
>>>> net/writings/jack/**jwdoctoralsupport0310.htm<http://www.actionresearch.net/writings/jack/jwdoctoralsupport0310.htm>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ______________________________****__
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  From: Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net>
>>>>>> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 10 January 2012, 4:01:27
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [xmca] varying definitions of perezhivanie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael, Haydi, Christine and others, thank you for drawing my
>>>>>> attention to Fyodor Vasilyuk. Just read his book and loved it. It's
>>>>>> one of
>>>>>> those books that even though you can follow it as you read, it is not
>>>>>> easy
>>>>>> to recall afterwards. Anyway, here is my synopsis.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *The Psychology of Experiencing*. The Resolution of Life’s Critical
>>>>>> Situations. by Fyodor Vasiluk Progress Publishers 1984.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is a book about living through critical situations in life.
>>>>>> “Experiencing” is a translation of “/perezhivanie/” and Vasilyuk uses
>>>>>> it to
>>>>>> mean “any process which brings about resolution of a critical
>>>>>> life-situation, irrespective of how that process is directly felt by
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> individual.” Vasilyuk is an Activity Theorist, and sees experiencing
>>>>>> as an
>>>>>> activity, not just something to which happens to a person, but that
>>>>>> hitherto Activity Theory had no term for it. So he has appropriated
>>>>>> Vygotsky’s use of the term as a unit for the development of
>>>>>> character. But
>>>>>> I notice that for Vasilyuk, /perezhivanie /is the whole “working
>>>>>> through”
>>>>>> of the crisis situation, which is elsewhere called “catharsis,”
>>>>>> whereas
>>>>>> what others call the /perezhivanie /he calls the crisis-situation. The
>>>>>> situation is of course equally subjective and objective, arising in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> world, as it is experienced by the subject according to the subject’s
>>>>>> commitments in the
>>>>>>  world as well as uncontrolled events arising from the objective
>>>>>> world.
>>>>>> Vasilyuk is a superb dialectician. Experiencing is the process in
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> character is formed, but also, it is the process of character itself:
>>>>>> both
>>>>>> process and product.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The main part of the book hinges on the idea that the inner world of
>>>>>> the subject, the active side which cognizes, feels, perceives and
>>>>>> acts may
>>>>>> be either /simple/ or /complex/; the outer world of the subject, the
>>>>>> subject’s life-world is either /easy/ or /difficult/. It is not so
>>>>>> much
>>>>>> that there are two kinds of inner and outer world, but that any
>>>>>> specific
>>>>>> crisis is derived from one of the four possible conjunctions:
>>>>>> simple-easy,
>>>>>> complex-easy, simple-difficult or complex-difficult. Each possible
>>>>>> conjunction also contains the others, but one conjunction is dominant
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the specific case.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vasilyuk calls an activity a “life relation” but so far as I can see
>>>>>> the word “project” perfectly describes what he has in mind. A simple
>>>>>> inner
>>>>>> world means that the crisis arises from the pursuit of just one
>>>>>> activity
>>>>>> and has no implication for any other project. A complex inner world
>>>>>> means
>>>>>> that the subject is motivated by multiple projects so that changes in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> progress of one project has implications for other projects (eg they
>>>>>> may be
>>>>>> conflicting, or dependent on one another) and resolving a crisis
>>>>>> becomes
>>>>>> something complex in that sense. An easy outer world means that the
>>>>>> crisis
>>>>>> arises from inner causes, not existential threats to the project or
>>>>>> blockages having their origin independently of the subject. A
>>>>>> difficult
>>>>>> outer world means that a project in which the subject is committed
>>>>>> faces a
>>>>>> blockage or disaster.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vasilyuk goes through all the possible combinations of strategies that
>>>>>> subjects resort to to resolve a crisis arising in each of these four
>>>>>> worlds, and there are all sorts of sub-types, etc. These categories
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> ahistorical so Vasilyuk is able to explore the possibilities by
>>>>>> logical
>>>>>> means rather than abstracting them from empirical data. Of course the
>>>>>> circumstances which give rise to crises and the strategies available
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> subjects are culturally and historically determined. But analysis of a
>>>>>> crisis and therapeutical assistance depends first of all in
>>>>>> diagnosing the
>>>>>> kind of crisis the subject is undergoing. So the elaboration of the
>>>>>> theory
>>>>>> is very logical, but one gets the feeling that Vasilyuk has had the
>>>>>> benefit
>>>>>> of the experience of offering assistance to thousands of people going
>>>>>> through severe crises and that his theory is robust as a diagnostic
>>>>>> tool.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The four kinds of crisis are (simple-easy) stress, (simple-difficult)
>>>>>> frustration, (complex-easy) conflict and (complex-difficult) crisis.
>>>>>> He
>>>>>> says that /stress /is a “hedonistic” crisis – the subject is
>>>>>> concerned only
>>>>>> with the here and now and getting more; /frustration /is a “realistic”
>>>>>> crisis – the subject has to accept the unattainability of the object
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> determine what it is they /really/ need, not just the specific thing
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> has the meaning for them of their object; /conflict /is a "crisis of
>>>>>> values" – the subject is obliged to revisit the bases for their past
>>>>>> actions and question their values which have led them into a tragic
>>>>>> situation; crisis as such is a creative crisis, which obliges the
>>>>>> subject
>>>>>> to transform the meaning of the absent object so as to make the
>>>>>> psychologically impossible situation possible; this means a
>>>>>> life-crisis
>>>>>> resolved by creating a new life-world, a new self. This is all very
>>>>>> complex
>>>>>> and I can’t do it
>>>>>>  justice. It will take a lot of study. I like the way he deals with
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> concept of "values" as deep structures, underlying commitments which
>>>>>> can be
>>>>>> brought to light only by a subject's /perezihivanie/.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The section on psychotherapy relied on a different categorisation of
>>>>>> four “levels of awareness.” These are the Unconscious, Experiencing
>>>>>> (here
>>>>>> in the ordinary meaning of the word, more like Undergoing),
>>>>>> Reflection, and
>>>>>> Apprehension. This structure of consciousness or awareness is defined
>>>>>> by
>>>>>> the activity of the Observer and the Observed (a bit like Mead's I
>>>>>> and Me).
>>>>>> Crises may be felt in one (mainly at the given moment) “level” and
>>>>>> Vasilyuk
>>>>>> says that a different therapeutic strategy is required in each case.
>>>>>> In the
>>>>>> case of the Unconscious, it is a /monologue by the therapist /who
>>>>>> tells the
>>>>>> patient what the break in consciousness reveals; in the case of
>>>>>> Undergoing
>>>>>> it is a /monologue by the patient /who gives voice to their
>>>>>> experience so
>>>>>> as to become aware of it, with the empathy of the therapist, can move
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> into Reflection; in Apprehension therapy requires a /dialogue
>>>>>> /between the
>>>>>> therapist and the patience to bring out the nature of the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>  crisis;
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  in Reflection the therapy is an /internal dialogue/ of the patient
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> themself through which the crisis can be transformed and resolved
>>>>>> successfully.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael Levykh wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I hope the following paragraph from my 2008 PhD Theses might shed a
>>>>>>> bit more
>>>>>>>       light on your discussion:
>>>>>>>       Vasilyuk (1984) writes in his annotation to Psikhologia
>>>>>>> Perezhivaniya
>>>>>>>       (Psychology of Perezhivaniye), that in order to manage
>>>>>>> (perezhits)
>>>>>>>       "situations of stress, frustration, inner conflict, and life
>>>>>>> crisis, quite
>>>>>>>       often a painful inner work has to be done in re-establishing
>>>>>>> inner
>>>>>>>       equilibrium and reconstructing a new meaningful life" (para. 1,
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>       translation). For him, even a painful experience in the past
>>>>>>> can be
>>>>>>>       recreated as a positive, pleasurable, meaningful
>>>>>>> future-oriented experience
>>>>>>>       of personality. Hence, perezhivaniye is a future-oriented,
>>>>>>> conscious, and
>>>>>>>       individual emotional experience of past events achieved in the
>>>>>>>       "here-and-now" through reflection on the individual's struggle
>>>>>>> within
>>>>>>>       himself/herself (e.g., as if struggling between the dual
>>>>>>> consciousness of
>>>>>>>       self and the character he/she portrays) and with the social
>>>>>>> environment
>>>>>>>       (e.g., his/her audience). Although perezhivaniye connotes
>>>>>>> mostly negative
>>>>>>>       (painful) experience of the past, its future-orientedness
>>>>>>> provides
>>>>>>>       possibilities for positive outcomes. Such positive
>>>>>>> possibilities are also
>>>>>>>       reflected in Vygotsky's optimistic views on cultural
>>>>>>> development in general.
>>>>>>>         Michael Levykh
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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Department of Communication
University of California, San Diego
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