________________________________ From: mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> To: ablunden@mira.net Cc: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>; Haydi Zulfei <haydizulfei@rocketmail.com> Sent: Monday, 2 January 2012, 19:47:03 Subject: Re: [xmca] speaking of rocks and cathedrals Thanks Andy-- It would be really interesting to read jointly, but no idea in the world of how to accomplish that!! mike On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote: Yep. > >http://www.marxists.org/archive/lektorsky/subject-object/index.htm > >Andy >mike cole wrote: > >Great to have Lektorsky brought into this conversation. I wonder, is the >>book widely available in English? Did I miss a link somewhere? >>mike >> >>On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Haydi Zulfei <haydizulfei@rocketmail.com>wrote: >> >> >> >>Overcoming the deep-thinking and worry of the problems of the Region , >>>Dear Larry , I came to my study to read anew the once-read article sent to >>>you and , happy to say , I'm exactly at the point you're stationing on page >>>22 . Yes , I accept the WHOLE of what V. A . Lektorsky says in this article >>>and His "Subject,Object,Activity" , a book , indeed . Thank you , too , for >>>your insistence on finding a way for 'dialogues' . Haydi ( out Net >>>problems most of the time ! hope it works ! ) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>________________________________ >>> From: Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com> >>>To: Haydi Zulfei <haydizulfei@rocketmail.com>; "eXtended Mind, Culture, >>>Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> >>>Cc: Robert Lake <boblake@georgiasouthern.edu> >>>Sent: Monday, 2 January 2012, 10:02:13 >>>Subject: Re: [xmca] speaking of rocks and cathedrals >>> >>> >>>Robert, I want to agree with you and acknowledge the poetic way Haydi >>>expressed these relations. >>> >>>Haydi, I also am enjoying reading the article on Social Being and the >>>Human Essence. On page 22 Lektorsky says, >>> >>>The self is seen as a system of relations, between myself and others. >>>Outside of this system of relations, I simply cannot exist. I am by my >>>nature a DIALOGICAL essence.... This approach gives rise to a whole range >>>of questions which simply did not exist for Descartes or Fichte (they begin >>>to emerge with Hegel's Phenomenology of Spirit). There is the problem of >>>my Being-for-others, Being-for-myself, and the Being-of-others-for-me.... >>> In my view, introspection should not be conceived as a relation of >>>someone to something purely INSIDE him - or herself, but as a SPECIAL WAY >>>of relating oneself to others. Introspection is really 'EXTRA-spection'. A >>>human being ALWAYS lives on the BOUNDARY between self and other. >>> >>>Haydi, do you accept the centraity of the QUESTIONS that Lektorsky is >>>posing as necessary themes to have conversations about??? >>> >>>I'm going back to reading the article. The method of written >>>composition [the genre] in how David Bakhurst is presenting these themes is >>>enjoyable as I love listening in on others conversations. >>> >>>Haydi thanks for taking the steps into action to respond to my reflections >>>that come from left-field. >>> >>>Larry >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Haydi Zulfei <haydizulfei@rocketmail.com> >>>wrote: >>> >>>You are so kind , Robert !! At times , in my confusion , I don't know how >>>to :-) Encouraging !! Thanks a lot !! I did wish you a happy New Year , >>>too . Haydi >>> >>> >>> >>>>________________________________ >>>>From: Robert Lake <boblake@georgiasouthern.edu> >>>>To: Haydi Zulfei <haydizulfei@rocketmail.com>; "eXtended Mind, Culture, >>>> >>>> Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> >>> >>> >>>Sent: Monday, 2 January 2012, 7:47:41 >>>> >>>>Subject: Re: [xmca] speaking of rocks and cathedrals >>>> >>>> >>>>Wow Havdi! >>>>Have you written about this in greater detail anywhere? >>>>If so can you direct me? If not, you need to. >>>>Happy New Year! >>>>Robert Lake >>>> >>>> >>>>On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 6:04 AM, Haydi Zulfei <haydizulfei@rocketmail.com> >>>> >>>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>True Andy ! >>>> >>>> >>>>I didn't continue : " The moment the floundering footstep of the IDEAL >>>>> >>>>> touches the firm GROUND of the 'world of reality' , as to its nature , it >>>jumps once again in a space of a blink , yearning to unite anew with her >>>beloved consort fere , the ACTION , towards a re-start of another pulse of >>>'subjectivity' " >>> >>> >>> >>>>>________________________________ >>>>>From: Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> >>>>>To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> >>>>>Sent: Sunday, 1 January 2012, 17:58:41 >>>>>Subject: Re: [xmca] speaking of rocks and cathedrals >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Well, it becomes an ideal I guess. >>>>> >>>>>And on that I beg to differ with just one of Haydi's dot points. >>>>> >>>>>Haydi said: "Ideal , when reified, is no longer ideal." >>>>> >>>>>I would have thought that when an ideal is reified, then it attains the >>>>> >>>>> most stable of all possible forms of reification. That pile of rocks, if >>>exumed 2000 years later, may still exhibit the properties of a cathedral if >>>the thought was put into action by Saint Exupery. >>> >>> >>>For 2012, I guess I look forward to the deepening economic decline of >>>>> >>>>> Europe and the US putting pressure on China to stimulate its domestic >>>market, and thereby lend more power to the rising tide of resistance among >>>ordinary people demanding the rule of law in their country. And I would >>>dearly like to see Syria join Libya and build something worthwhile from the >>>ashes of their previous efforts to shake off imperialist domination. And it >>>would be good to see Iran join the Arab Spring too. And keep the US the >>>hell out of intervening in that country. >>> >>> >>>Andy >>>>> >>>>>mike cole wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I want to join the voices for wishing all "present" the best of >>>>>> >>>>>> fortune in >>> >>> >>>the new year. We now reach from Invertebrates to God in our modest >>>>>> explorations of the processes of human development. :)) >>>>>> The following thought came to me in thinking about what ensues if one >>>>>> accepts the invitation to imagine >>>>>> what will happen in the next year -- what you hope for, what you fear, >>>>>> >>>>>> what >>> >>> >>>you could not expect and so >>>>>> can't think about. It is from St. Exupery. >>>>>> A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man >>>>>> >>>>>> contemplates >>> >>> >>>it, bearing within him the image of a cathedral. >>>>>> Antoine de Saint-Exupery< >>>>>> >>>>>>http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/antoinedes161736.html> >>> >>> >>>Its an interesting thought, but "negative" in the sense that it tells >>>>>> >>>>>> us >>> >>> >>>what a rock ceases to be but does not >>>>>> specify what it has become "the moment it a single man contemplates >>>>>> >>>>>> it." >>> >>> >>>It seems apt to the discussion. >>>>>> An awful lot takes place in that moment! >>>>>> Happy New Year, >>>>>> mike >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>>*Andy Blunden* >>>>> >>>>>Joint Editor MCA: http://www.tandfonline.com/toc/hmca20/18/1 >>>>> >>>>>Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/ >>>>> >>>>>Book: http://www.brill.nl/default.aspx?partid=227&pid=34857 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>__________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>>_____ >>>>> >>>>>xmca mailing list >>>>> >>>>>xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>>>> >>>>>http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >>>>>__________________________________________ >>>>>_____ >>>>>xmca mailing list >>>>>xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>>>>http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> >>>>Robert Lake Ed.D. >>>> >>>>Assistant Professor >>>>Social >>>>Foundations of Education >>>>Dept. of Curriculum, Foundations, and >>>>Reading >>>>Georgia Southern University >>>>P. O. Box 8144 >>>>Phone: (912) >>>>478-5125 >>>>Fax: (912) 478-5382 >>>>Statesboro, GA 30460 >>>> >>>> >>>>Democracy must be born anew in every generation, and >>>>education is its midwife. >>>> >>>>-John Dewey. >>>>__________________________________________ >>>>_____ >>>>xmca mailing list >>>>xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>>>http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >>>> >>>> >>>> __________________________________________ >>>_____ >>>xmca mailing list >>>xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>>http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >>> >>> >>> __________________________________________ >>_____ >>xmca mailing list >>xmca@weber.ucsd.edu >>http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca >> >> >> >> >-- >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >*Andy Blunden* >Joint Editor MCA: http://www.tandfonline.com/toc/hmca20/18/1 >Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/ >Book: http://www.brill.nl/default.aspx?partid=227&pid=34857 > >
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