Re: [xmca] schools-without-computers-by-choice-and-conviction-that-they-dont-help-kids

[Greg Thompson <greg.a.thompson@gmail.com>]

I was thinking something more like "reality envelopes us." But this is just
as troubling b.c. although it corrects some of the distastefulness of the
metaphor of "penetration", it remains problematic for other reasons, most
notably a particularly troubling dualism. An "envelope" of reality suggests
that somewhere there is something outside of the envelope of reality. Is
there really something else? non-reality. Don't think so.

It's all just reality. Everywhere you go.

Sorry that I don't have anything more productive to offer.

Best of luck as you continue to think through this Huw.
-greg

On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Robert Lake <boblake@georgiasouthern.edu>wrote:

> Maybe reality penetrates us :-)
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > On 27 October 2011 20:56, Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 27 October 2011 20:47, Greg Thompson <greg.a.thompson@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Huw,
> > >> Is reality really something to be "penetrated."
> > >> -greg
> > >>
> > >
> > > If you wish to get from one side of a city to another, there are finite
> > > ways of doing so using conventional transport.  If you wish to
> articulate
> > > that intention in terms of a particular route, you will have to
> mentally
> > > penetrate the fog of obstacles from A to B prior to an accurate
> > > articulation.  Does 'penetrating to reality' sound better?  Hopefully
> the
> > > gist is clear.
> > >
> > >
> > ... but that also the intention successfully acted upon is a change and
> > thereby a form of penetrating reality.
> >
> > Linking with ideas around transitional phenomena (and the like).
> >
> > How does that sit, Greg?
> >
> > Huw
> >
> >
> > > Huw
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Huw Lloyd <
> huw.softdesigns@gmail.com
> > >> >wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > On 27 October 2011 19:17, Linda Polin <linda.polin@pepperdine.edu>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On Oct 26, 2011, at 3:42 PM, Huw Lloyd wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Programming is part of a domain of articulated intentionality,
> of
> > >> > > > penetrating reality.  The issue with simplified environments is
> > the
> > >> > > minimal
> > >> > > > penetration.  One is limited to a scope that was designed for.
> >  The
> > >> > > spirit
> > >> > > > of programming goes beyond this to a deeper appreciation of
> > >> processes.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I was trying to indicate the openness and range of the possible in
> > >> > > Minecraft, which doesn't sacrifice the playfulness that I find
> > lacking
> > >> in
> > >> > > straight up programming except for people who enjoy debugging. I
> do
> > >> find
> > >> > it
> > >> > > hard to grok programming as uniquely "penetrating reality,"
> though.
> > >> Could
> > >> > > you explain that? Perhaps I need "articulated intentionality"
> > unpacked
> > >> as
> > >> > > well since I see most goal driven construction efforts, e.g., to
> > >> create a
> > >> > > machine in Minecraft, as articulated and intentional.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > I can't say I recall writing 'uniquely', Linda.
> > >> >
> > >> > Huw
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