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Dear Helen,
I agree with you I felt that the perezhivanie was a shared lived experience,
intense, dramatic!!
Like you I connected to the child in different ways. I don't have the
experience of being a
conductor so it certainly would bring a different interpretation and
feeling...
it's the affection we also have towards music, and how this child has that
sensibility towards music...
I think video enables us to re-lived emotions, feelings and these are sensed
in different ways...
I will be a different perezhivanie if we lived this experience in that room
with the child,
so when researching I do feel we leave with out participants their
perezhivanie...
more to talk here at Monash...
Regards, Gloria Quinones
.
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> 5. Re: For the musicians (Carol Macdonald)
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> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:21:54 +1100
> From: Helen Grimmett <helen.grimmett@monash.edu>
> Subject: Re: [xmca] For the musicians
> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
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> Hi again,
>
> I put this link on my facebook page and Gloria Quinones commented "That's
> what I call perezhivanie!" I'd love for you to explain what you meant by
> that comment here Gloria - but it made me think not so much about the
> perezhivanie of the little boy, but about our perezhivanie as we watched
> it.
> As a musician, my previous experiences certainly gave me a unique
> interpretation of what was going on which would not necessarily be
> appreciated or understood in the same way by somebody who has never been
> conducted or tried to conduct an orchestra, yet their own experiences and
> expertise in other areas of life would no doubt lead to other equally
> interesting and emotionally stirring responses and interpretations.
>
> Whose perezhivanie were you referring to Gloria? The boy's or yours? I'd
> love to hear about other people's perezhivanie (emotional experience) as
> you
> watched it and how it is informed by your previous experiences (with music,
> young children, videoing, having a runny nose in public, dropping things,
> being in hysterics, prodigies, performing etc, etc). What resonates with
> you
> and why? Maybe this might help us work out what we mean by perezhivanie?
>
> Cheers,
> Helen
>
> On 24 October 2011 17:01, Helen Grimmett <helen.grimmett@monash.edu>
> wrote:
>
> > Priceless! It would be fascinating to know the story behind it. I could
> not
> > believe how well he knows the music, and his facial expressions in the
> > quieter, slower parts are just exquisite. Thanks for sharing Carol.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Helen
> >
> >
> > On 24 October 2011 15:30, Carol Macdonald <carolmacdon@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> This little boy is a savant: he actually know the whole movement. Watch
> >> carefully and you will see he is not *following* the music, but
> >> orchestrating it. It doesn't say, but perhaps his father is a
> conductor.
> >> Interesting, because there is not such a strong developmental
> >> line/critical
> >> period for music, as most composers are highly precocious.
> >>
> >> Enjoy it, it made my day. I hope it makes yours.
> >>
> >> Carol
> >> (P.S. He reminded us how old he is when he picked his nose!!!)
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.choralnet.org/view/268945
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Be mindful. Regret nothing.
> >> Carol's motto.
> >>
> >> *Visiting Lecturer
> >> Wits School of Education
> >> Research Fellow*
> >> *Linguistics Dept: Unisa
> >> *
> >> __________________________________________
> >> _____
> >> xmca mailing list
> >> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> >> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Helen Grimmett
> > PhD Student, Teaching Associate
> > Faculty of Education
> > Monash University, Peninsula Campus
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Helen Grimmett
> PhD Student, Teaching Associate
> Faculty of Education
> Monash University, Peninsula Campus
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 20:23:34 -0700
> From: Ivan Rosero <irosero@ucsd.edu>
> Subject: Re: [xmca] For the musicians
> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
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>
> Hello Helen,
>
> What a delightful "capturing" of a young child by a cultural artifact.
> Here's what I thought about as I watched this boy's performance.
>
> I am an amateur dancer here in San Diego, and teach a beginning performance
> team along with my wife. One of our team members moves in ways similar to
> this boy, except that, being 28 and not 3, he suffers more than enjoys what
> is going on. I am not a classical musician, but I would venture to say
> that
> this young conductor blended a mastery all his own (and yet still authentic
> by professional standards) with "auxiliary" movements that are more
> personal/particular (including, of course, the nose picking :) A similar
> thing happens with our team member --he has mastered certain of the
> locomotive requirements of the salsa routine we're currently practicing,
> but
> seemingly inevitably, all manner of auxiliary movements that fall outside
> the aesthetic of the routine come into play as well. He tries --no, he
> struggles-- visibly to subdue these movements, but it is difficult for him.
> In my role as choreographer and team-lead (as well as member of LCHC), I
> feel the tension of simultaneously responding to the expectations of the
> rest of the team in terms of helping them to move along and improve on more
> and more facets of the routine, and my desire to focus on this one team
> member to see what kinds of interaction arrangements can help him get where
> he wants to go. In his case, or rather in the dance "scene", his auxiliary
> movements are internalized as deficiency and not personal/particular
> accents.
>
> Coming back to our young conductor, it seems to me (from the outside, since
> classical music is not my thing) that a lot of conductors that are
> typically
> called "geniuses" are granted that special social gift of "quirkiness" as
> opposed to deficiency, because the auxiliary movements they retain in their
> professional conducting are "the mark" of genius. They, and the talented
> child we're talking about here, are captured by very different social
> arrangements (of which we are a constitutive part) than my quirky team
> member.
>
> I assume this has to do as much with our perezhivanie as theirs, but which
> "theirs" we're talking about forces me to think about the difference
> between
> expansive as opposed to "collapsive" development. Does this make sense?
>
> Ivan
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Helen Grimmett
> <helen.grimmett@monash.edu>wrote:
>
> > Hi again,
> >
> > I put this link on my facebook page and Gloria Quinones commented "That's
> > what I call perezhivanie!" I'd love for you to explain what you meant by
> > that comment here Gloria - but it made me think not so much about the
> > perezhivanie of the little boy, but about our perezhivanie as we watched
> > it.
> > As a musician, my previous experiences certainly gave me a unique
> > interpretation of what was going on which would not necessarily be
> > appreciated or understood in the same way by somebody who has never been
> > conducted or tried to conduct an orchestra, yet their own experiences and
> > expertise in other areas of life would no doubt lead to other equally
> > interesting and emotionally stirring responses and interpretations.
> >
> > Whose perezhivanie were you referring to Gloria? The boy's or yours? I'd
> > love to hear about other people's perezhivanie (emotional experience) as
> > you
> > watched it and how it is informed by your previous experiences (with
> music,
> > young children, videoing, having a runny nose in public, dropping things,
> > being in hysterics, prodigies, performing etc, etc). What resonates with
> > you
> > and why? Maybe this might help us work out what we mean by perezhivanie?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Helen
> >
> > On 24 October 2011 17:01, Helen Grimmett <helen.grimmett@monash.edu>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Priceless! It would be fascinating to know the story behind it. I could
> > not
> > > believe how well he knows the music, and his facial expressions in the
> > > quieter, slower parts are just exquisite. Thanks for sharing Carol.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Helen
> > >
> > >
> > > On 24 October 2011 15:30, Carol Macdonald <carolmacdon@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> This little boy is a savant: he actually know the whole movement.
> Watch
> > >> carefully and you will see he is not *following* the music, but
> > >> orchestrating it. It doesn't say, but perhaps his father is a
> > conductor.
> > >> Interesting, because there is not such a strong developmental
> > >> line/critical
> > >> period for music, as most composers are highly precocious.
> > >>
> > >> Enjoy it, it made my day. I hope it makes yours.
> > >>
> > >> Carol
> > >> (P.S. He reminded us how old he is when he picked his nose!!!)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> http://www.choralnet.org/view/268945
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Be mindful. Regret nothing.
> > >> Carol's motto.
> > >>
> > >> *Visiting Lecturer
> > >> Wits School of Education
> > >> Research Fellow*
> > >> *Linguistics Dept: Unisa
> > >> *
> > >> __________________________________________
> > >> _____
> > >> xmca mailing list
> > >> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> > >> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Helen Grimmett
> > > PhD Student, Teaching Associate
> > > Faculty of Education
> > > Monash University, Peninsula Campus
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Helen Grimmett
> > PhD Student, Teaching Associate
> > Faculty of Education
> > Monash University, Peninsula Campus
> > __________________________________________
> > _____
> > xmca mailing list
> > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 20:28:22 -0700
> From: mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [xmca] For the musicians
> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
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>
> Great example to think with about a lot, in that episode, Carol, Thanks.
>
> It put me in mind of the following interesting scholar, who talks about the
> the origins of
> language and its relations to art quite generally and music quite
> specifically.
>
> http://ellendissanayake.com/publications/
> .
>
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 8:23 PM, Ivan Rosero <irosero@ucsd.edu> wrote:
>
> > Hello Helen,
> >
> > What a delightful "capturing" of a young child by a cultural artifact.
> > Here's what I thought about as I watched this boy's performance.
> >
> > I am an amateur dancer here in San Diego, and teach a beginning
> performance
> > team along with my wife. One of our team members moves in ways similar
> to
> > this boy, except that, being 28 and not 3, he suffers more than enjoys
> what
> > is going on. I am not a classical musician, but I would venture to say
> > that
> > this young conductor blended a mastery all his own (and yet still
> authentic
> > by professional standards) with "auxiliary" movements that are more
> > personal/particular (including, of course, the nose picking :) A similar
> > thing happens with our team member --he has mastered certain of the
> > locomotive requirements of the salsa routine we're currently practicing,
> > but
> > seemingly inevitably, all manner of auxiliary movements that fall outside
> > the aesthetic of the routine come into play as well. He tries --no, he
> > struggles-- visibly to subdue these movements, but it is difficult for
> him.
> > In my role as choreographer and team-lead (as well as member of LCHC), I
> > feel the tension of simultaneously responding to the expectations of the
> > rest of the team in terms of helping them to move along and improve on
> more
> > and more facets of the routine, and my desire to focus on this one team
> > member to see what kinds of interaction arrangements can help him get
> where
> > he wants to go. In his case, or rather in the dance "scene", his
> auxiliary
> > movements are internalized as deficiency and not personal/particular
> > accents.
> >
> > Coming back to our young conductor, it seems to me (from the outside,
> since
> > classical music is not my thing) that a lot of conductors that are
> > typically
> > called "geniuses" are granted that special social gift of "quirkiness" as
> > opposed to deficiency, because the auxiliary movements they retain in
> their
> > professional conducting are "the mark" of genius. They, and the talented
> > child we're talking about here, are captured by very different social
> > arrangements (of which we are a constitutive part) than my quirky team
> > member.
> >
> > I assume this has to do as much with our perezhivanie as theirs, but
> which
> > "theirs" we're talking about forces me to think about the difference
> > between
> > expansive as opposed to "collapsive" development. Does this make sense?
> >
> > Ivan
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Helen Grimmett
> > <helen.grimmett@monash.edu>wrote:
> >
> > > Hi again,
> > >
> > > I put this link on my facebook page and Gloria Quinones commented
> "That's
> > > what I call perezhivanie!" I'd love for you to explain what you meant
> by
> > > that comment here Gloria - but it made me think not so much about the
> > > perezhivanie of the little boy, but about our perezhivanie as we
> watched
> > > it.
> > > As a musician, my previous experiences certainly gave me a unique
> > > interpretation of what was going on which would not necessarily be
> > > appreciated or understood in the same way by somebody who has never
> been
> > > conducted or tried to conduct an orchestra, yet their own experiences
> and
> > > expertise in other areas of life would no doubt lead to other equally
> > > interesting and emotionally stirring responses and interpretations.
> > >
> > > Whose perezhivanie were you referring to Gloria? The boy's or yours?
> I'd
> > > love to hear about other people's perezhivanie (emotional experience)
> as
> > > you
> > > watched it and how it is informed by your previous experiences (with
> > music,
> > > young children, videoing, having a runny nose in public, dropping
> things,
> > > being in hysterics, prodigies, performing etc, etc). What resonates
> with
> > > you
> > > and why? Maybe this might help us work out what we mean by
> perezhivanie?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Helen
> > >
> > > On 24 October 2011 17:01, Helen Grimmett <helen.grimmett@monash.edu>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Priceless! It would be fascinating to know the story behind it. I
> could
> > > not
> > > > believe how well he knows the music, and his facial expressions in
> the
> > > > quieter, slower parts are just exquisite. Thanks for sharing Carol.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Helen
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 24 October 2011 15:30, Carol Macdonald <carolmacdon@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> This little boy is a savant: he actually know the whole movement.
> > Watch
> > > >> carefully and you will see he is not *following* the music, but
> > > >> orchestrating it. It doesn't say, but perhaps his father is a
> > > conductor.
> > > >> Interesting, because there is not such a strong developmental
> > > >> line/critical
> > > >> period for music, as most composers are highly precocious.
> > > >>
> > > >> Enjoy it, it made my day. I hope it makes yours.
> > > >>
> > > >> Carol
> > > >> (P.S. He reminded us how old he is when he picked his nose!!!)
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> http://www.choralnet.org/view/268945
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Be mindful. Regret nothing.
> > > >> Carol's motto.
> > > >>
> > > >> *Visiting Lecturer
> > > >> Wits School of Education
> > > >> Research Fellow*
> > > >> *Linguistics Dept: Unisa
> > > >> *
> > > >> __________________________________________
> > > >> _____
> > > >> xmca mailing list
> > > >> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> > > >> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Helen Grimmett
> > > > PhD Student, Teaching Associate
> > > > Faculty of Education
> > > > Monash University, Peninsula Campus
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Helen Grimmett
> > > PhD Student, Teaching Associate
> > > Faculty of Education
> > > Monash University, Peninsula Campus
> > > __________________________________________
> > > _____
> > > xmca mailing list
> > > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> > > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca
> > >
> > __________________________________________
> > _____
> > xmca mailing list
> > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 03:59:14 -0700
> From: Steve Gabosch <stevegabosch@me.com>
> Subject: Re: [xmca] For the musicians
> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> Message-ID: <0767D15E-8C8F-47C2-BF5B-391B38FF5592@me.com>
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>
> My personal experience of the video clip involved ways that watching
> the boy conductor enhanced my experience of this music, which I am
> very fond of. I found myself reading his motions and listening to the
> music through his ears and body, especially places where he was
> anticipating changes - for example, the way he would increase the
> agitation of the baton and his arms as the music went from soft to
> loud in some of the great crescendo moments, seeming to push the music
> forward and to greater heights with his own determination and
> enthusiasm. A great reminder to listen to, appreciate and truly feel
> music - and of the power of anticipation.
>
> - Steve
>
>
> On Oct 24, 2011, at 4:21 PM, Helen Grimmett wrote:
>
> > Hi again,
> >
> > I put this link on my facebook page and Gloria Quinones commented
> > "That's
> > what I call perezhivanie!" I'd love for you to explain what you
> > meant by
> > that comment here Gloria - but it made me think not so much about the
> > perezhivanie of the little boy, but about our perezhivanie as we
> > watched it.
> > As a musician, my previous experiences certainly gave me a unique
> > interpretation of what was going on which would not necessarily be
> > appreciated or understood in the same way by somebody who has never
> > been
> > conducted or tried to conduct an orchestra, yet their own
> > experiences and
> > expertise in other areas of life would no doubt lead to other equally
> > interesting and emotionally stirring responses and interpretations.
> >
> > Whose perezhivanie were you referring to Gloria? The boy's or yours?
> > I'd
> > love to hear about other people's perezhivanie (emotional
> > experience) as you
> > watched it and how it is informed by your previous experiences (with
> > music,
> > young children, videoing, having a runny nose in public, dropping
> > things,
> > being in hysterics, prodigies, performing etc, etc). What resonates
> > with you
> > and why? Maybe this might help us work out what we mean by
> > perezhivanie?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Helen
> >
> > On 24 October 2011 17:01, Helen Grimmett <helen.grimmett@monash.edu>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Priceless! It would be fascinating to know the story behind it. I
> >> could not
> >> believe how well he knows the music, and his facial expressions in
> >> the
> >> quieter, slower parts are just exquisite. Thanks for sharing Carol.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Helen
> >>
> >>
> >> On 24 October 2011 15:30, Carol Macdonald <carolmacdon@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> This little boy is a savant: he actually know the whole movement.
> >>> Watch
> >>> carefully and you will see he is not *following* the music, but
> >>> orchestrating it. It doesn't say, but perhaps his father is a
> >>> conductor.
> >>> Interesting, because there is not such a strong developmental
> >>> line/critical
> >>> period for music, as most composers are highly precocious.
> >>>
> >>> Enjoy it, it made my day. I hope it makes yours.
> >>>
> >>> Carol
> >>> (P.S. He reminded us how old he is when he picked his nose!!!)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> http://www.choralnet.org/view/268945
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Be mindful. Regret nothing.
> >>> Carol's motto.
> >>>
> >>> *Visiting Lecturer
> >>> Wits School of Education
> >>> Research Fellow*
> >>> *Linguistics Dept: Unisa
> >>> *
> >>> __________________________________________
> >>> _____
> >>> xmca mailing list
> >>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> >>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Helen Grimmett
> >> PhD Student, Teaching Associate
> >> Faculty of Education
> >> Monash University, Peninsula Campus
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Helen Grimmett
> > PhD Student, Teaching Associate
> > Faculty of Education
> > Monash University, Peninsula Campus
> > __________________________________________
> > _____
> > xmca mailing list
> > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 13:30:19 +0200
> From: Carol Macdonald <carolmacdon@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [xmca] For the musicians
> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
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> Yes, Steve, that's exactly what he was doing, just like a conductor, and he
> is THREE! I have to say I have never sent a "topic" out and got so many
> responses.
> Carol
>
> On 25 October 2011 12:59, Steve Gabosch <stevegabosch@me.com> wrote:
>
> > My personal experience of the video clip involved ways that watching the
> > boy conductor enhanced my experience of this music, which I am very fond
> of.
> > I found myself reading his motions and listening to the music through
> his
> > ears and body, especially places where he was anticipating changes - for
> > example, the way he would increase the agitation of the baton and his
> arms
> > as the music went from soft to loud in some of the great crescendo
> moments,
> > seeming to push the music forward and to greater heights with his own
> > determination and enthusiasm. A great reminder to listen to, appreciate
> and
> > truly feel music - and of the power of anticipation.
> >
> > - Steve
> >
> >
> >
> > On Oct 24, 2011, at 4:21 PM, Helen Grimmett wrote:
> >
> > Hi again,
> >>
> >> I put this link on my facebook page and Gloria Quinones commented
> "That's
> >> what I call perezhivanie!" I'd love for you to explain what you meant by
> >> that comment here Gloria - but it made me think not so much about the
> >> perezhivanie of the little boy, but about our perezhivanie as we watched
> >> it.
> >> As a musician, my previous experiences certainly gave me a unique
> >> interpretation of what was going on which would not necessarily be
> >> appreciated or understood in the same way by somebody who has never been
> >> conducted or tried to conduct an orchestra, yet their own experiences
> and
> >> expertise in other areas of life would no doubt lead to other equally
> >> interesting and emotionally stirring responses and interpretations.
> >>
> >> Whose perezhivanie were you referring to Gloria? The boy's or yours? I'd
> >> love to hear about other people's perezhivanie (emotional experience) as
> >> you
> >> watched it and how it is informed by your previous experiences (with
> >> music,
> >> young children, videoing, having a runny nose in public, dropping
> things,
> >> being in hysterics, prodigies, performing etc, etc). What resonates with
> >> you
> >> and why? Maybe this might help us work out what we mean by perezhivanie?
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Helen
> >>
> >> On 24 October 2011 17:01, Helen Grimmett <helen.grimmett@monash.edu>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Priceless! It would be fascinating to know the story behind it. I could
> >>> not
> >>> believe how well he knows the music, and his facial expressions in the
> >>> quieter, slower parts are just exquisite. Thanks for sharing Carol.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Helen
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 24 October 2011 15:30, Carol Macdonald <carolmacdon@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> This little boy is a savant: he actually know the whole movement.
> Watch
> >>>> carefully and you will see he is not *following* the music, but
> >>>> orchestrating it. It doesn't say, but perhaps his father is a
> >>>> conductor.
> >>>> Interesting, because there is not such a strong developmental
> >>>> line/critical
> >>>> period for music, as most composers are highly precocious.
> >>>>
> >>>> Enjoy it, it made my day. I hope it makes yours.
> >>>>
> >>>> Carol
> >>>> (P.S. He reminded us how old he is when he picked his nose!!!)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.choralnet.org/view/**268945<
> http://www.choralnet.org/view/268945>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Be mindful. Regret nothing.
> >>>> Carol's motto.
> >>>>
> >>>> *Visiting Lecturer
> >>>> Wits School of Education
> >>>> Research Fellow*
> >>>> *Linguistics Dept: Unisa
> >>>> *
> >>>> ______________________________**____________
> >>>> _____
> >>>> xmca mailing list
> >>>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> >>>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca<
> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Helen Grimmett
> >>> PhD Student, Teaching Associate
> >>> Faculty of Education
> >>> Monash University, Peninsula Campus
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Helen Grimmett
> >> PhD Student, Teaching Associate
> >> Faculty of Education
> >> Monash University, Peninsula Campus
> >> ______________________________**____________
> >> _____
> >> xmca mailing list
> >> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> >> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca<
> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca>
> >>
> >
> > ______________________________**____________
> > _____
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> > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca<
> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca>
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Be mindful. Regret nothing.
> Carol's motto.
>
> *Visiting Lecturer
> Wits School of Education
> Research Fellow*
> *Linguistics Dept: Unisa
> *
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 06:04:54 -0700
> From: mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [xmca] For the musicians
> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> Message-ID:
> <CAHCnM0DiXCCqRS1AJgKyc3KahN-6MQ4tBMsHsGUWH6HCgQndgw@mail.gmail.com
> >
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>
> Its those same kinds of observations that evoke the idea of perezhivanie, I
> suspect,
> Steve.
> mike
>
> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 4:30 AM, Carol Macdonald <carolmacdon@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Yes, Steve, that's exactly what he was doing, just like a conductor, and
> he
> > is THREE! I have to say I have never sent a "topic" out and got so many
> > responses.
> > Carol
> >
> > On 25 October 2011 12:59, Steve Gabosch <stevegabosch@me.com> wrote:
> >
> > > My personal experience of the video clip involved ways that watching
> the
> > > boy conductor enhanced my experience of this music, which I am very
> fond
> > of.
> > > I found myself reading his motions and listening to the music through
> > his
> > > ears and body, especially places where he was anticipating changes -
> for
> > > example, the way he would increase the agitation of the baton and his
> > arms
> > > as the music went from soft to loud in some of the great crescendo
> > moments,
> > > seeming to push the music forward and to greater heights with his own
> > > determination and enthusiasm. A great reminder to listen to,
> appreciate
> > and
> > > truly feel music - and of the power of anticipation.
> > >
> > > - Steve
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Oct 24, 2011, at 4:21 PM, Helen Grimmett wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi again,
> > >>
> > >> I put this link on my facebook page and Gloria Quinones commented
> > "That's
> > >> what I call perezhivanie!" I'd love for you to explain what you meant
> by
> > >> that comment here Gloria - but it made me think not so much about the
> > >> perezhivanie of the little boy, but about our perezhivanie as we
> watched
> > >> it.
> > >> As a musician, my previous experiences certainly gave me a unique
> > >> interpretation of what was going on which would not necessarily be
> > >> appreciated or understood in the same way by somebody who has never
> been
> > >> conducted or tried to conduct an orchestra, yet their own experiences
> > and
> > >> expertise in other areas of life would no doubt lead to other equally
> > >> interesting and emotionally stirring responses and interpretations.
> > >>
> > >> Whose perezhivanie were you referring to Gloria? The boy's or yours?
> I'd
> > >> love to hear about other people's perezhivanie (emotional experience)
> as
> > >> you
> > >> watched it and how it is informed by your previous experiences (with
> > >> music,
> > >> young children, videoing, having a runny nose in public, dropping
> > things,
> > >> being in hysterics, prodigies, performing etc, etc). What resonates
> with
> > >> you
> > >> and why? Maybe this might help us work out what we mean by
> perezhivanie?
> > >>
> > >> Cheers,
> > >> Helen
> > >>
> > >> On 24 October 2011 17:01, Helen Grimmett <helen.grimmett@monash.edu>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Priceless! It would be fascinating to know the story behind it. I
> could
> > >>> not
> > >>> believe how well he knows the music, and his facial expressions in
> the
> > >>> quieter, slower parts are just exquisite. Thanks for sharing Carol.
> > >>>
> > >>> Cheers,
> > >>> Helen
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 24 October 2011 15:30, Carol Macdonald <carolmacdon@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> This little boy is a savant: he actually know the whole movement.
> > Watch
> > >>>> carefully and you will see he is not *following* the music, but
> > >>>> orchestrating it. It doesn't say, but perhaps his father is a
> > >>>> conductor.
> > >>>> Interesting, because there is not such a strong developmental
> > >>>> line/critical
> > >>>> period for music, as most composers are highly precocious.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Enjoy it, it made my day. I hope it makes yours.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Carol
> > >>>> (P.S. He reminded us how old he is when he picked his nose!!!)
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> http://www.choralnet.org/view/**268945<
> > http://www.choralnet.org/view/268945>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> Be mindful. Regret nothing.
> > >>>> Carol's motto.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> *Visiting Lecturer
> > >>>> Wits School of Education
> > >>>> Research Fellow*
> > >>>> *Linguistics Dept: Unisa
> > >>>> *
> > >>>> ______________________________**____________
> > >>>> _____
> > >>>> xmca mailing list
> > >>>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> > >>>> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca<
> > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> Helen Grimmett
> > >>> PhD Student, Teaching Associate
> > >>> Faculty of Education
> > >>> Monash University, Peninsula Campus
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Helen Grimmett
> > >> PhD Student, Teaching Associate
> > >> Faculty of Education
> > >> Monash University, Peninsula Campus
> > >> ______________________________**____________
> > >> _____
> > >> xmca mailing list
> > >> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> > >> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca<
> > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca>
> > >>
> > >
> > > ______________________________**____________
> > > _____
> > > xmca mailing list
> > > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> > > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/**listinfo/xmca<
> > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca>
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Be mindful. Regret nothing.
> > Carol's motto.
> >
> > *Visiting Lecturer
> > Wits School of Education
> > Research Fellow*
> > *Linguistics Dept: Unisa
> > *
> > __________________________________________
> > _____
> > xmca mailing list
> > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 06:22:57 -0700
> From: mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>
> Subject: [xmca] New set of Luria articles
> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture,Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> Cc: Elena Bodrova <elena.theasis@gmail.com>, Boris Meshcheryakov
> <borlogic@gmail.com>
> Message-ID:
> <CAHCnM0B=Pxmghg3fF=yVpRf8qjVLtZcLWL2=E1PyKN58ZpPoLQ@mail.gmail.com
> >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> After a long time we finally managed to get a set of articles provided by
> A.R. Luria spanning a lot of his career into
> PDF form and posted at http://luria.ucsd.edu/publica.html There are a
> couple of glitches, but there may be materials
> of interest here that go back a pretty long way.
>
> fyi
>
> mike
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:25:54 -0200
> From: Wagner Luiz Schmit <wagner.schmit@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [xmca] New set of Luria articles
> To: lchcmike@gmail.com, "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity"
> <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> Message-ID:
> <CAMS1o3EfdaUYNPp2iuAhNZ2OJk0kdpaPQZReZm0XwF=PnQmNEg@mail.gmail.com
> >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Thank you very much! This will surely help
>
> Wagner Luiz Schmit
>
> 2011/10/25 mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>
>
> > After a long time we finally managed to get a set of articles provided by
> > A.R. Luria spanning a lot of his career into
> > PDF form and posted at http://luria.ucsd.edu/publica.html There are a
> > couple of glitches, but there may be materials
> > of interest here that go back a pretty long way.
> >
> > fyi
> >
> > mike
> > __________________________________________
> > _____
> > xmca mailing list
> > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 16:33:27 +0300
> From: ulvi icil <ulvi.icil@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [xmca] New set of Luria articles
> To: lchcmike@gmail.com, "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity"
> <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> Message-ID:
> <CABjfC8KavvzenxCUON=KcKijn1K6LriNDZ+5s5FPCX83nByWTw@mail.gmail.com
> >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Great !
>
> Thanks
>
> Ulvi
>
>
>
>
> 2011/10/25 mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>
>
> > After a long time we finally managed to get a set of articles provided by
> > A.R. Luria spanning a lot of his career into
> > PDF form and posted at http://luria.ucsd.edu/publica.html There are a
> > couple of glitches, but there may be materials
> > of interest here that go back a pretty long way.
> >
> > fyi
> >
> > mike
> > __________________________________________
> > _____
> > xmca mailing list
> > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 00:37:15 +1100
> From: Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net>
> Subject: Re: [xmca] New set of Luria articles
> To: lchcmike@gmail.com, "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity"
> <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> Message-ID: <4EA6BB8B.9000000@mira.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Great archive, Mike. Well done to your team.
> I have adjusted the link at
> http://www.marxists.org/archive/luria/index.htm to point to that very
> rich archive of articles.
>
> Andy
>
> mike cole wrote:
> > After a long time we finally managed to get a set of articles provided by
> > A.R. Luria spanning a lot of his career into
> > PDF form and posted at http://luria.ucsd.edu/publica.html There are a
> > couple of glitches, but there may be materials
> > of interest here that go back a pretty long way.
> >
> > fyi
> >
> > mike
> > __________________________________________
> > _____
> > xmca mailing list
> > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *Andy Blunden*
> Joint Editor MCA: http://www.tandfonline.com/toc/hmca20/18/1
> Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/
> Book: http://www.brill.nl/default.aspx?partid=227&pid=34857
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:33:37 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Natalia Gajdamaschko <nataliag@sfu.ca>
> Subject: Re: [xmca] New set of Luria articles
> To: lchcmike@gmail.com, "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity"
> <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> Cc: Elena Bodrova <elena.theasis@gmail.com>, Boris Meshcheryakov
> <borlogic@gmail.com>
> Message-ID:
> <964428204.14000.1319564017472.JavaMail.root@jaguar9.sfu.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Thank you so much, Mike!
> Just yesterday in my class I promised to provide a student with a set of
> article by Luria and -- a miracle, you've done it for us! Much
> appreciated!
> Cheers,
> Natalia.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "mike cole" <lchcmike@gmail.com>
> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture,Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> Cc: "Elena Bodrova" <elena.theasis@gmail.com>, "Boris Meshcheryakov" <
> borlogic@gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 6:22:57 AM
> Subject: [xmca] New set of Luria articles
>
> After a long time we finally managed to get a set of articles provided by
> A.R. Luria spanning a lot of his career into
> PDF form and posted at http://luria.ucsd.edu/publica.html There are a
> couple of glitches, but there may be materials
> of interest here that go back a pretty long way.
>
> fyi
>
> mike
> __________________________________________
> _____
> xmca mailing list
> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca
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